A strange treatment - But it works for me!!

[TrishR]

Oh good another witch hunt its a wonder we have any members on here!  Yes I agree it pays to be careful and not rush out and buy every miricle cure that is mentioned but can't we be a bit more placid in our responses?  There are some pretty strong responses on this thread!

I quite agree with your sentiments here Liz.

[Waz]

Guys

I have sent a few messages to P-Sufferer but not heard a thing - she may be busy but its not happening !

Sorry.

[Schoey]

Hmmm.....Waz is offering himself as a "Guinea Pig"........

C'mon "P sufferer"...........We're giving you the chance to prove us Doubters wrong.......

[rockstoneUK]

I didn't want to post on this thread originally because it did seem like a bit of a 'sell' to me.....but as some people seem interested in this stuff Ill give my own experiences.

When I came off Dovonex I got a massive immune rebound (bad pustular P), and was very ill. I first saw an article about these types of foot baths in the Daily Telegraph, I think the brand was 'Aqua Detox'.

As I felt very 'toxic' and as my blood was obviously a bit dodgy with the neutophils/white cells, I was interested in this treatment. However having no cash ruled out any purchases of machines/treatments.

I do have a bit of electrical/engineering experience so I did a bit of research a built my own machine. I tested then tried it and was pretty suprised by the results.

In tests the water (including only sea salt) did change colour to orange on its own, however after 'foot treatment' there was obvious 'scum' on the water and generally the colour was slightly darker/dirtier to the naked eye. I did wash my feet first!!

I did it for 40 minutes at about 850m amps, I think the normal electrical charge is 2.5amps in commercial machines.

I did notice a significant change in my energy levels straight away, so much so that I didn't sleep for two days straight...but hey I was pretty ill....lol., this effects seemed to last about a week.

This worried me a bit to be honest, so I asked a friendly Doctor about it, she said that considering my circumstances (dovonex probs etc) that this was probably anti-toxic shock, in that my body was so used to toxified blood from long term use of the Dovonex that the rapid cleaning of the blood overstimulated my body.
I also think there may be an issue with the removal of salts from the blood, like sodium etc which your nerves/heart needs etc.

I asked her if she thought it was 'Quak-ery' but she did say that this can be regarded as a 'medical treatment' and is known as 'electrolytic dialysis', I don't think she had any reason to lie about it.

One argument is that if this theory didn't work then things like electro-platng wouldnt work...and there is plenty of evidence for that.
My understanding of it is that two elements of the same material (stainless steel) are immersed in a salt solution (electrolyte) with a small DC current passing between them. As they are made from the same material there is no exchange of metal (as in electro-plating) so a small electro-magnatic field is all that is created in the water, as your blood circulates through this current via your feet, any 'toxic' particles in your blood are drawn into the magnetic field, through the pores on your feet.

I think there is some merit in this treatment, as remember how much P cream we absorb into our skin, is it so fantastic that these types of molecules etc can't be drawn out again?, I think the basic science is sound, whether this machine is any good or not I don't know, and they do seem to have missed the point., and their 'How does it work?' section  isn't very detailed.

In terms of effects on P, well I was working on my own treatment program at this time so any specific P benefits werent noticable due to the treatment program.

I have done these treatments 3 or 4 times and one of my friends tried it too, but she didn't have P, and it was on her insistence, not mine!...lol

I probably will do more treatments occaisionally in the future, but I wouldn't say it can be considered a 'P treatment'.

As for the cost?...well I built mine for less than £10...these companies are in this to make money, the parts cost virtually nothing., so I think people should be wary of any specific claims about psoriasis, but like I said, if its the type of treatment I think it is, there is some genune science in it.

I would suggest that any interested parties should try a beauty salon treatment before paying out hundreds for this.

Hope this helps,

Brian

*btw if any of the males members do buy one and try it, I've seen companies suggest a 'whole body detox' by using the elements in the bath. Electromagnetism can have a negative effect on fertility so be warned!

[AussieGuy]

My understanding of it is that two elements of the same material (stainless steel) are immersed in a salt solution (electrolyte) with a small DC current passing between them. As they are made from the same material there is no exchange of metal (as in electro-plating) so a small electro-magnatic field is all that is created in the water, as your blood circulates through this current via your feet, any 'toxic' particles in your blood are drawn into the magnetic field, through the pores on your feet.

I'm having trouble understanding your logic in the above comments Brian  :-/

What are these "toxic particles"? - What are they made up of, metals? - Would they have to be metals to be attracted to a magnetic field?

How can these "toxic particles" be drawn out of the bloodstream & through the walls of blood vessels, arteries & veins & then out through the skin & into the magnetic field in the water?

How does the magnetic field discrimminate which particles or substances to attract & which ones to leave in place in the bloodstream? - How does a magnetic field know what is toxic to humans & what isn't?






AussieGuy (Perplexed)

[david_8]

hi, all

scam and quack or a miracle or was it  placebo after 1 treatment

reminds me of the zapper scam



i knew what i would find when i googled

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Bad Science and rusty footbath revisionism  
From Ben Goldacres Bad Science column in the Guardian, Rusty results: a mention of the Aqua Detox foot detox. Before-and-after analyses of the footbath by the Medical Toxicology Unit, New Cross, confirmed that the brown stuff that appears in the bathwater is iron-based, and that the bathwater showed no sign of the urea and creatinine ("probably the smallest molecules - call them 'toxins' if you like - that your body gets rid of, in places like urine and sweat") that you'd expect if any dialysis were happening.
     Unfortunately, this news is a little late as the ground has shifted. Oddly enough, the blurbs for the Ionic Detox Box and the Mary Staggs Ionic Spa, two of the latest incarnations of foot detox, also state categorically that the colour comes from the metal of the electrodes - quite in contrast to the many preceding claims for such products. My guess is that it's increasingly untenable to claim or imply that the brown colour is toxins, and there are signs of a definite revisionism under way.
     For instance, this current description of Bio-Sync Detox says "When discussing this type of treatment, the popular press have described the toxins as 'being drawn out of the feet during treatment'. This is not the case but is a common misconception based on the visual chemical reaction that occurs in the foot spa during the course of treatment". The makers of the Baby-D and Hydra Detox also warn potential purchasers of the "popular misconception" and "often-misunderstood fact" of the colour being due to toxins.
     However did the press manage to arrive at such a misconception? Perhaps via the vendors' own statements? Hydra Detox (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login) now says that its machine merely rebalances the body: "This type of machine is described as a detox machine because the response of a rebalanced body is to excrete any excess toxins via the kidneys, liver, bowels and skin AFTER the treatment" (their capitals, not mine). But a Google search finds a repeated occurrence of an older marketing tagline "Hydra Detox Foot Spas, simply immerse your feet in water and watch in amazement as the toxins are released through the pores in your feet". Similarly, a Google search also finds many sites for Aqua Detox and Bio Detox stating that you'll "see the excreted toxins in the water", in texts whose near-identical content suggests that the claim was in their manufacturers' blurb. Check them out now, as I predict these original claims will soon disappear down the memory hole.
     Interestingly, Dr Mary Staggs, prime developer of Aqua Detox, nowhere mentions the term Aqua Detox on her new site, Detox Online; and the newly-incorporated Aqua Detox International nowhere mentions Dr Mary Staggs. I suspect a schism somewhere.
     So what are the foot detox vendors claiming now? Broadly, that dipping your feet in an ionised bath for 30 minutes rebalances the body's energies. Hmm.

Addendum, Jan 3 2005. I'm pleased to see that Aqua Detox is now featured ("All such devices should be considered medically worthless") at DeviceWatch, Dr Stephen Barrett's guide to questionable medical devices. Pages for the Mary Staggs Ionic Spa are currently down, apart from a front page for Detox Online

[rockstoneUK]

Aussie guy, I'm not suggesting for anyone to do this, I haven't tried to sell anything on these forums.

If your confused by what I said, maybe you should do your own research into this and come to your own conclusions?
Most chemical compounds contain metals, biological or otherwise, that includes things that are in commercial moisturisers and P drugs.

Do you use any topical creams or drugs?...have you noticed that they absorb into your body?...or are these molecules simply dissapearing into thin air?

Things like blood cells are never meant to be leaked out of the blood vessels, industrially created molecules have no such size restrictions.

David, like I said earlier, I don't have a product to sell, so they only view I can give is the objective one, I don't agree that this should not be sold as a psoriasis treatment, but there was an obvious effect on my physical state after I used this treatment.

Did anyone see in the news recently about how the english goverment has stopped laws to regulate the amount of chemicals we are exposed to?...so if the Goverment are trying to keep us full of chemicals your unlikely to find any official resource which extole the virtues of 'de-toxing'..why would they want a chemical-free society when it doesn't make them any money?
Other articles in the press described children with 35 known 'toxic' (artificial and unwanted) chemicals in their blood, its not really about urea and creatinine.

And I think I saw somewhere about that Devicewatch isn't as worthy ot 'independant' as it claims to be?...I'm not sure, I like to take responsibility for my own behviour so I don't need to rely on that kind of resource.

That said, I still can't recommend anyone actually do this, unless they feel on the balance of probability, that they may get some personal health improvement from it, I think its up to the individuals.

All the best, Brian

*again on a personal note, I did ask a medical doctor about this, and she did say it was recognised as 'electrolytic dialysis' in medicine.