Any natural/alternative approaches that you lot have found to help PA???

[stewart_h]

Ive finally managed to clear my psoriasis. But now my PA is flaring. I didnt do all that work sorting my skin out to have to end up on MTX anyway. So i was wondering if there is any one or two things you guys have heard of or tried that help PA on a natural/alt front?

[beat-the-p]

Hi Stu,

I think you will have more luck on the alts board, most people on here don't risk their pa with alts they go straight for the meds which is probably the right thing to do if your pa is flaring. I am as far as I know in a minority in that I chose to ignore my scipt for mtx & just waited it out & eventually my pa improved on its own but that took a long time (& I have suffered some damage).

As you are fully aware anti-tnf drugs are the best weapon at the moment so you should aim to reduce tnf I reckon, if you want to see improvment. Are you doing barney's formula at the moment?

I did find this the other day You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login & as I know how good you are at seeking info maybe you could try & get hold of these guys to see whats in their supplement?

Here is my current list of natural alts that can possibly (have clinical evidence) reduce tnf & type 1 cytokines.

-Resveratrol
-Vit D3
-Vit B3
-Milk Thistle
-Devils Claw
-dhea
-Vit C
-Magnesium
-cannabis
-curcumin
-Rosehip extract
-Pomegranate extract
-tomato extract
-nettle leaf extract
-Retinoic acid
-exercise
-sleep
-balanced diet

Stress, anxiety & lack of sleep all raise tnf & type 1 cytokines, so these also need to be concidered.

Hope this helps Stu.

Cheers, btp

[stewart_h]

great post. With useful info. Any of those particularly good at anti tnf? I also looked at the site u sent, not sure i hold up much hope, build a kit website, no email and no ingredients. I an currently using k2, d3, glucosomine/chonditum/rosehip. Ive also started tinefcom due to its tnf lowering ability. No improvements yet but its been 2wks. I may add magnesium as i know im low from bloodtests

[Eveloftus]

hi stewart, for me what works is avoiding wheat and pulses, taking peppermint, vit D and home made yoghurt, they all seem to contribute. I am experimenting now without the peppermint, just the yoghurt and the diet. See bj's thread for info on the yoghurt, why it works and how to make it. Hope you find some relief soon!

[beat-the-p]

Hi Stu,

I believe the d3 & curcumin to be the most important but I think rosehip & pomegranate are also good. If you type into google any of the ALTS I mentioned  with the words 'tnf alpha' following it and search, you will find plenty of reading material & studies.

It would be a good idea I think to add magnesium, please see my latest post on bj's thread. I am showing quite a few symtoms of defficientcy & after reading up on the content in my diet I don't get even close to RDI.

p/pa carries the risk of diabetes & heart disease...correct magnesium intake can help prevent that & keep the bones & immune system strong.

Cheers, btp

[stewart_h]

k2 also helps heart disease because it takes calcification out the arteries and despoits it in the bones

[beat-the-p]

Thanks Stu,

Yeah K2 is one of those vits I have looked at before with interest. I am a bit of a cheese lover so hopefully I get enough from dairy & I eat eggs fairly often. Do you know how much do we need in our diet? & do you know how much cheese/eggs would provide?

Cheers, btp

[Eveloftus]

hi btp, I also am interested in vit K2. I heard it could be lacking in people with psoriasis. Vit K1 is also called phylloquinone and found in vegetables. K2 is 2 to 3 times more efficacious than k1,  is part of a group called menaquinones (got that from Dr A Weil's site!) and food sources include beef liver and pork liver, egg yolks, fermented dairy (cheese) and fermented soy like miso and natto. It improves cardiovascular function and bone health. It is also produced by intestinal bacteria, so eating home made yoghurt could be a good way to increase this production. I don't know much about it though, dosage and all that, if you learn anything about it let us know.

[TCNZ]

hi btp, I also am interested in vit K2. I heard it could be lacking in people with psoriasis. ............. K2 is 2 to 3 times more efficacious than k1,  is part of a group called menaquinones (got that from Dr A Weil's site!) and food sources include beef liver and pork liver, egg yolks, fermented dairy (cheese) and fermented soy like miso and natto. .............. I don't know much about it though, dosage and all that, if you learn anything about it let us know.

If you are brave enough to consume natto on a daily basis.........

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"Medical benefits
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Nattō contains large amounts of vitamin K, which is involved in the formation of calcium-binding groups in proteins, assisting the formation of bone and preventing osteoporosis. Vitamin K1 is found naturally in seaweed, liver, and some vegetables, while vitamin K2 is found in fermented food products such as cheese and miso.    Nattō has very large amounts of vitamin K2, approximately 870 micrograms per 100 grams of nattō.

According to a study, fermented soybeans, such as nattō, contain vitamin PQQ, which is very important for the skin.[6] PQQ in human tissues is derived mainly from diet.

According to recent studies, polyamine suppresses excessive immune reactions, and nattō has a much larger amount of it than any other food.[7] Dietary supplements containing the substances extracted from natto such as polyamine, nattokinase, FAS and vitamin K2 are available.
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Yes, for the sake of a full spectrum of polyamine, nattokinase, FAS and vitamin K2...........

If you are brave enough......with its powerful stinky smell and sticky, stringly, slimmy consistency........

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By the way, the Japanese don't "eat" such rotten slim for no reason, right?

Urggggggg.........


PS

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Recommended amounts

The U.S. Dietary Reference Intake (DRI) for an Adequate Intake (AI) of vitamin K for a 25-year old male is 120 micrograms/day. The Adequate Intake (AI) for adult women is 90 micrograms/day, for infants is 10–20 micrograms/day, for children and adolescents 15–100 micrograms/day. In 2002 it was found that to get maximum carboxylation of osteocalcin, one may have to take up to 1000 μg of vitamin K1.

[stewart_h]

k2
for males 90-150mcg
for females 90mcg

i use jarrow
couple of good ebayers sell it.

hanst really helped the aches but then i doubt it would its more about keeping the bone healthy