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Offline igH

Re: Calling all thin people who do not have bowel movement issues...
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 12:23:55 PM »
it seems to be a common factor... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login but hyperlipidemia also affects thin people... what about your cholesterol levels?

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2011, 01:37:43 PM »
Cholesterol levels are fine as are all the blood tests that I have done to date.

Offline igH

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2011, 04:36:14 PM »
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Cholesterol levels are fine as are all the blood tests that I have done to date.

that's great, but did you also get tested for antibodies?

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Offline NYGuy11

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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2011, 02:02:50 PM »
I had a blood test done last March and everything came out perfect.  My doctor said he couldn't believe how low my cholesterol was.  I had my blood test in the first week that I started the Pagano diet.

I'm not sure about this antibodies thing?  I don't think I heard of testing for that.  What would I be trying to find out?

Offline NYGuy11

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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2011, 02:14:04 PM »
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I don't know how you guys were losing so much weight on Pagano's diet.  I only lost 2 pounds.

If you are thin, Pagano's diet is not supposed cause you to lose weight.  He even says in the book that if you are hungry, then eat!  You should not be hungry.  Make sure you give yourself generous servings of salad, etc.

My breakfast is typically oatmeal, cold cereal (rice chex or cheerios), an occasional omelet, and an occasional whole wheat bagel.

My lunches include turkey, almond butter and jelly, tuna along with a fruit, vegetable (carrots and hummus or celery and almond butter), and nuts (almonds or pistachio nuts).  Twice a week, I have a fagi plain yogurt to go with my lunch.  I also have a mid morning snack, which can be a fruit or a whole grain rice cake.

My dinners: I have a salad, then I have chicken or fish as the main course to go with either quinioa, brown rice, or sweet potato, and a vegetable (broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, string beans).  Sometimes I just make myself a very large salad and have chicken with it or something.

At night, the saffron tea keeps me full.  I'll also make myself a vegetable drink to alkalize my body.  Once a week I'll have frozen yogurt with crushed walnuts.

I am not hungry at all throughout the day.  I'm only hungry leading up to a meal and then I'm satisfied.

Unfortunately, all the above hasn't cleared me.  I'm wondering if there's a common thread between thin people who do not have bowel movement issues that have psoriasis.

Just wondering...if you ever achieved clearing WITHOUT biologics, what worked for you?  For me, I was clear for a while using Barney's Formula, light box, and making some improvements here and there from my diet.  I didn't eliminate anything from the diet, just cut back on night shades, started drinking more water, and incorporating more fruits and vegetables.

Unfortunately, the honeymoon was over and the P started creeping back in.

What you said is interesting, not because I personally think that your diet is a bit "screwed up", and you would know what that means if you take Charles diet as a reference. But mainly because we both experienced the same thing with Barney's formula. Can you give me more details about it? How much D&ibu was needed for your skin, and how much time it took to clear? how much time clearing lasted ? What you did to try to get back on clearing with Barney's ?

For me it was really frustrating because I cleared too one time and then nothing..I created a topic where I would say what supplements I was taking at that time, from 2000IU+200mg ibu during 2 month, to 6000IU+200mg during 2 month, then 8000-10000IU+200mg...nothing worked again as if my body got used to barney's just for the first time.. very frustrating.

Scratchy, I take offense to that.  Why is my diet screwed up?  Because I don't follow the Charles diet to the letter?  Everyone's diet is different.  I don't need to eliminate wheat/gluten because when I eliminated it for 2 months, there was no change.  It's not practical to eliminate so many things b/c then it becomes impossible to follow it, especially when I go out to eat with friends.  Right now, I am following the Pagano diet and seeing if that works for me.  Really, the main difference is that I'm eating low fat/fat free dairy and wheat/gluten.  It doesn't make sense to me to clear on Charles' shake b/c that is A LOT of food going into one shake and it's not feasible for me to go through the time and effort of making that shake every few days indefinitely to keep clear.

I started Barney's in May 2007 and was clear by the end of the summer.  I took 2000iu of D3 and 1 ibuprofen pill every night before bed.  I also used my light box unit to help clear.  I improved my diet by doing things such as drinking more water, eating more vegetables, eating fish, cutting back on sweets and nightshades.  Nothing wholly drastic like what I'm doing now.

For over 2 years, I did well with Barney's.  Spots would appear here and there, but they would go away.  A couple of small spots was hardly anything to worry about.  But I started getting spots that weren't going away.  For a year that continued and I had a few spots on my stomach, ribcage, arm, and leg that persisted.  I changed my D3 level around, I had a blood test done, I did more light box, I started taking Peppermint Oil.  Nothing worked.

I don't know why Barney's Formula hasn't been as effective for me.  My theory is the lightbox bulb got old and may not be as effective.  Maybe I'll buy all new bulbs and see what happens.  But in any case, I was long curious to see if food was an issue for me and I'm going through that period of self-discovery right now.

Offline NYGuy11

Re: Calling all thin people who do not have bowel movement issues...
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2011, 02:17:24 PM »
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Hi NYGuy,

I'm 179cm and a little under 70Kg. Have no known bowel issues.

I started off with Pagano but it didn't do much for me (I skipped the more invasive recommendations  :o) although he did raise my awareness of nightshades.

Then I saw this link:
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which made a significant difference to me.

Finally I came across BJ's Barney's formula thread.

Three years later and I'm pretty much in control, touch wood - last year I had a flare up in early Novemeber and the end of the winter but so far so good this year.

The gist of my lifestyle changes are:
 - eating lots of vegetables, in particular beetroot and onion but not excessively so
 - avoiding tomatoes (or anything containing them) like the plague. Easier said than done.
 - limiting biscuits, cakes, processed food etc. especially in the colder months
 - regular outdoor exercise 
 - occassional gimchee (bit like saurkraut it's fermented vegetables)
 - take the sun when it's there but in moderation
 - peppermint oil every day before brekkie and D3 from late October through late March. Als take fish oil regularly.

My diet changes were really hard-core the first few months but that probably wasn't necessary although I believe that probably speeded things up a bit.

I also found the steam room useful2-3 times a week during the first year. It softened up the thick hard plaques so I could gently rub away the outer layers of dead skin and let the sun do its magic. The sweating may be beneficial too - not sure on that one.

As BJ regulalrly points out it's also important to keep a lid on inflammation elsewhere be that dental or otherwise.

hth,
wex

That link you provided is very comprehensive.  Did you actually do all of that?

Offline wexfordfox

Re: Calling all thin people who do not have bowel movement issues...
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2011, 10:43:17 AM »
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Hi NYGuy,

I'm 179cm and a little under 70Kg. Have no known bowel issues.

I started off with Pagano but it didn't do much for me (I skipped the more invasive recommendations  :o) although he did raise my awareness of nightshades.

Then I saw this link:
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which made a significant difference to me.

Finally I came across BJ's Barney's formula thread.

Three years later and I'm pretty much in control, touch wood - last year I had a flare up in early Novemeber and the end of the winter but so far so good this year.

The gist of my lifestyle changes are:
 - eating lots of vegetables, in particular beetroot and onion but not excessively so
 - avoiding tomatoes (or anything containing them) like the plague. Easier said than done.
 - limiting biscuits, cakes, processed food etc. especially in the colder months
 - regular outdoor exercise 
 - occassional gimchee (bit like saurkraut it's fermented vegetables)
 - take the sun when it's there but in moderation
 - peppermint oil every day before brekkie and D3 from late October through late March. Als take fish oil regularly.

My diet changes were really hard-core the first few months but that probably wasn't necessary although I believe that probably speeded things up a bit.

I also found the steam room useful2-3 times a week during the first year. It softened up the thick hard plaques so I could gently rub away the outer layers of dead skin and let the sun do its magic. The sweating may be beneficial too - not sure on that one.

As BJ regulalrly points out it's also important to keep a lid on inflammation elsewhere be that dental or otherwise.

hth,
wex

That link you provided is very comprehensive.  Did you actually do all of that?

Pretty much. I didn't get a weekly massage or take a liver tonic (couldn't find one). Also used dovonex on the P rather than his preparation (knew this worked for me and was simpler). Didn't do the scalp P stuff as it just wasn't practical for me. And ate pickled and (a little) raw garlic and onions rather than the suggested herbs.

The one thing I kept for many months was the lemon in warm water AM - this was recommedned by a number of sources. Haven't done this for a year or so. Think I'll try this again now that you've reminded me of it as I believed at the time (rightly or wrongly) that this made a difference.

I believe the above reduced my internal (and much external P) inflammation (and probably improved a bunch of other stuff) which enabled the Barney formula and sun to (almost i.e. 99%) complete the job. But that's just a best guess.

Offline igH

Re: Calling all thin people who do not have bowel movement issues...
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2011, 03:47:22 PM »
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I'm not sure about this antibodies thing?  I don't think I heard of testing for that.  What would I be trying to find out?

that whether there are any elevations in your serum levels of total IgE