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Offline Lazza

dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« on: February 22, 2010, 01:58:11 PM »
Hi.  As I mentioned in other posts, I am well along in clearing my psoriasis in large part due to stopping all dairy consumption.  However I never read anything which could possibly explain the dairy-psoriasis connection.  Until now.

"The China Study" by T Colin Campbell is a very interesting book.  It compares the western diet and its impact on people with the equivalent in China back in the 1970s (..the Chinese took meticulous records on dietary habits, diseases, and other related information).  Of course the conclusion is that a diet rich in animal fats and protein (including casein, from milk) are bad for you.  It causes all sort of illnesses, cancers, etc.  But beyond all this, the author, a renowned researcher, also discusses his thoughts on autoimmune diseases.  Here are some excerpts:

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One of the fundamental mechanism for this self-destructive behavior is called molecular mimicry.  It so happens that some of the foreign invaders that our soldier cells seek out to destroy look the same as our own cells.  The immune systems "molds" that fit these invaders also fit our own cells.  The immune system then destroys, under some circumstances, everything that fits the mold, including our own cells.  This is an extremely complex self-destructive process involving many different strategies on the part of the immune system, all of which share the same fatal flaw of not being able to distinguish "foreign invader proteins from the proteins of our own body.

What does all of this have to do with what we eat?  It so happens that the antigens that trick our bodies into attacking our own cells may be in food.  During the process of digestion, for example, some proteins slip into our bloodstream from the intestine without being fully broken down into their amino acid parts.  The remnants of undigested proteins are treated as foreign invaders by our immune system, which sets about making molds to destroy them and sets into motion the self-destructive autoimmune process.

One of the foods that supply many of the foreign proteins that mimic our own body is cow's milk.  Most of the time, our immune system is quite smart.  Just like an army arranges for safeguards against friendly fire, the immune system has safeguards to stop itself from attacking the body it's supposed to protect.  Even though an invading antigen looks like one of the cells in our own body, the system can still distinguish our own cells from the invading antigen.
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The immune system uses a delicate process to decide which proteins should be attacked and which should be left alone.  The way this process, which is incredibly complex, breaks down with autoimmune diseases is not yet understood.
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The author then talks about Type 1 diabetes, an autoimmune disease.  Apparently there is close association between this disease and cow's milk consumption in infants.  Additionally, folks with the disease experience considerable relief (require less insulin medication) if they are placed on a dairy free diet.  So what does this have to do with psoriasis?  Perhaps a lot.

Apparently autoimmune diseases have a lot in common.  Firstly, they are often clustered together (differing autoimmune diseases often occur in the same families).  They are more common the further away from the equator you go (yes, vitamin D supplements are smart), and the author suggests the incidence of automimmune diseases is broadly proportionate to the amount of cow's milk consumed. 

And so, the author gives a lot of learned speculation. Yet it sounds a lot like he is associating the affect of dairy on those with "Leaky Gut" syndrome.  ...it all sounds plausible to me.


_Lazza


PS - quite surprisingly, the author lists 17 of the top autoimmune diseases ... with psoriasis not being on it!!!  He pulls this list from a medical journal article dated 1997.  The title of the article is "...selected autoimmune diseases".  I hope the author corrects this error should the book be revised.

Offline NCU

Re: dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2010, 02:54:47 PM »
How interesting. I spoke to my derm about diet and it's effects and she said that that was rubbish. I did try to give up pretty much everything a few months back but found dairy the hardest! My daughter is dairy free as she's allergic but she's only little and knows no different, whereas I love milk and chocolate! ;) I did succeed in giving up meat though, and changed everything I use in the house to only natural products, no more harsh chemicals!
It's interesting what you say there about diabetes, don't know whether this is relevent or not but I had gestational diabetes with my little girl who has a million allergies and really bad eczema and it was after having her that I developed P for the first time ever.
You've inspired me to try to give up dairy again. How long have you been without now?
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Offline Lazza

Re: dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2010, 03:14:01 PM »
Well thank you.  People have called me plenty of things but never inspirational!  :)

On 17 September (2009) I started my grand diet.  I claimed to the world that I was dairy free but in truth I sprinkled bits of romano cheese on my daily portion of fish.  We are talking the same amount of dairy that you would put in a cup of coffee.  My psoriasis improved, gradually.  In early December I felt as though I hit a wall.  As a total lark I decided to stop using romano cheese.  Within 2-3 days my psoriasis improved, quite dramatically.  This is why I harp on about being extremely strict about cutting out trigger foods.  Even a tiny amount can stymie your efforts.

I feel your pain about going dairy free.  For 50 years I gobbled down all sorts of dairy every day, despite suffering from some lactose intolerance in later years.  Honestly, going dairy free (and for me, gluten free) was only bad the first few weeks.  Once you see improvement in your psoriasis you will be so chuffed that you will view dairy as if it were poison.  Having said all that, I would love a slice of pizza right now.  :D  Ain't gonna happen EVER again for the rest of my life.


_Lazza


PS - as "The China Study" book suggests, dairy is really not a good food.  In the long term you would be much better off without it even if it doesn't prove to be a trigger for your psoriasis.

PPS - as for your derm, her position isn't unusual.  Should you be able to clear your P through diet your derm will probably attribute it to something else (phase of the moon?) rather than diet.

Offline NCU

Re: dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2010, 04:19:23 PM »
Have you tried vegan cheese? It's not that bad, I say that as someone who really likes her cheese. Wouldn't eat a slice of it but have had it grated on spag bol and think it's fine so would probably be alright to make pizza with, worth a shot anyway. I do agree with what you say about dairy. Have lots of friends who are vegan and what they say about us being the only animal that drinks another species milk is right. Really we should drink our mothers milk until we no longer need it and that's it. I give my daughter Oatly, so might try that instead of soya. Am definitely becoming more aware of what I put into my body these days.
Anyway, I'm optimistic, will give it a shot. With giving up meat which I've tried many times before I didn't make a big deal of it in my head, no pressure if I wanted it I would have allowed myself to have it but I haven't wanted it, so maybe I'll try that with dairy, no major pressure and see how I go. Trip to the health food shop for me tomorrow then. Will keep you posted.
Have you tried anything else alternative, like homeopathy? Or bach flower remedies?
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Offline Lazza

Re: dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 04:36:12 PM »
Nope, haven't tried vegan cheese.  To me, cheese made with anything other than dairy simple isn't cheese!!  It's like fiddling with tofu and calling it turkey.

I suppose the only other alternative thing I've done is a colon cleanse and a liver detox.  Colon cleanse involved taking psyllium husks daily over a period of several weeks.  I also took the herbal supplement triphala during this time to help kill off nasties in my colon.  As for liver detox I took milk thistle and lecithin.  Overall I found the colon cleanse to be very helpful (wrt psoriasis), the liver detox only modestly helpful (..it alleviated phantom itching around my body but not on plaques).

You are doing the right thing by asking these questions and doing research.  I wish there was a centralize guidebook with all the answers.  Unfortunately one has to sweat the details and become a researcher.  The medical community rarely offers any support wrt holistic approaches to treating psoriasis.


_Lazza

Offline Emma

Re: dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 09:00:52 PM »
Are you completey dairy free?

Not just cheese, and milk - do you check all ingredients for lactose?

There was quite a lot of people on here a few years ago that cut out dairy and lactose with mixed results.

Offline Lazza

Re: dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2010, 09:36:46 PM »
Yes, I am 100% dairy free.  With few exceptions I use raw foods (meat, veggies, fruit) for everything.  Not so much for dairy, but going gluten free really requires one to shun packaged foods.

I think in order to succeed with going dairy and/or gluten free one must completely start afresh with a new diet rather than using the diet you are used to and dismissing chunks of it.  The latter approach will make you more prone to cheat and, well, I think you will miss dairy/gluten more.


_Lazza

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Re: dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 11:29:05 PM »
the only problem is when you cutout wheat and gluten as a side effect you are cutting out somany other foods/ingredients (sugar, many grains, stabilisers and e numbers, sandwich fillings etc etc) so its actually reallyhard to know which food you were originally reacting to. This is why i think the pagano diet works for some, because its so restrictive it can cut out a lot of food allergies in one swoop.

Offline Lazza

Re: dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2010, 12:50:27 AM »
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the only problem is when you cutout wheat and gluten as a side effect you are cutting out somany other foods/ingredients (sugar, many grains, stabilisers and e numbers, sandwich fillings etc etc) so its actually reallyhard to know which food you were originally reacting to. This is why i think the pagano diet works for some, because its so restrictive it can cut out a lot of food allergies in one swoop.

Good point wrt gluten.  I forgot that when you cut out gluten/wheat you are also eliminating loads of other additives.

Regarding the Pagano diet, not sure I agree.  Although I recommend his book I really didn't like his diet.  His diet is very particular, like when to eat certain foods and what foods can be consumed with others.  I found this to be puzzling; he doesn't provide enough explanation for my liking.  But I don't remember him being draconian and telling folks to stop eating all sorts of foods.  Aren't certain forms of wheat, dairy and eggs okay on his diet??  His diet strikes me as generally healthy but not one I would suggest.


_Lazza

Offline totoro

Re: dairy ... a trigger food for psoriasis? [long]
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2010, 09:19:15 AM »
Hi,

I'm with Lazza on this, Dairy for me is a big problem.

As with wheat I have tried to cut as much dairy out of my diet
as i can. My skin is great.

I love cheese....and ate far too much....but since cutting it and milk out
my P has almost gone.

I have also been on the Vit D3 and the veg shake diet.

Because I have been off milk now for a while....if i do try and have a cappaccino
out and about I soon feel queesy.

Its easy to give up dairy for a few weeks and well worth P sufferers at least giving
it a go.

T