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i have a definite treatment that may help you
« on: November 09, 2006, 10:39:59 PM »
i might as well get into this in detail so i'll move some of what i've already printed

i'm almost clear, a small spot on my wrist,  but i believe the fish oil is only partially responsible. The fish oil is generally good for health and specifically it a precursor or building block for prostaglandins (inflammatory lipids made from fatty acids)  
 
I've read some literature which associates omega 3 derived prostaglandins are less  aggressive then those from omega 6
 
I think to beat this devil you need a three pronged attack...
 
reduce your faulty immune response by:  
 
eliminating foods which cause an immune response  
taking an assortment of vitamins and minerals  
 the steroid vitamin D or sunlight which will limit tcell response by connecting to receptors on the tcell surface  
 
i think P has a genetic cause...and the only cure will be genetic...ie gene splicing etc.. but i believe the body has developed over thousands  of years of evolution  the ability to adjust to these genetic anomalies with nutrition , sunlight or vitamin D.
 
my best guess, bj
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Re:  i have a definite treatment that may hel
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2006, 10:41:10 PM »
let me go on with some thoughts...
 
for thousands of years humans more or less spent their lives where they were born...probably seldom traveling over a few hundred miles from their origins. Human skin color is simply a response to the Vitamin D levels their bodies needed at that latitude. Near the equator the darker skin protected against the over production of Vitamin D. Since one of vitamin D's effects to is to adjust critical calcium levels in the body...too much sunlight can result in dangerous levels of calcium, hence darker skin adjusts for this.  
 
As humans moved to northern latitudes , sunlight was seasonal so their skin color lightened to correspond with an increasing need for vitamin D...the farther north ....the lighter skin....
 
Now along with this and to adjust for seasonal needs of vitamin d cultures began eating more  skin  and internal organs, intestines,brain etc of animals for their higher levels of d. (in animals as with us, vitamin D is produced in the skin) ..modern man seldom eats this source of D..skin etc.
 
AS we know, Vitamin D3 is made by sunlight in your skin or ingested by via food source. Basically without getting too technical, when the parathyroid gland chemically senses a need for calcium it sends enzymes to the kidneys to convert the normal D to an active form which then migrate to the intestines to draw more calcium from food. It it can't get calcium from food it draws calcium from bone...so bone is your reservoir of calcium.
 
but thats not the only job of vitamin D...actually it's not a vitamin it's a steroid and its main duty may be as an immune system moderator
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Re:  i have a definite treatment that may hel
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2006, 10:42:37 PM »
It's my guess, an equally important role for vitamin D is to dampen the learned immune response which is where it is applicable to psoriasis.  
 
I would guess just about everyone in this forum has a deficit of vitamin D...especially as winter continues. This corresponds with lower light levels and  increased psoriasis levels in the winter and less p and more light in the summer. It corresponds with the positive effects of UVB radiation and trips to the dead sea etc
 
there are vitamin D receptors on many of the dendritic and tcells of the immune system. These receptors are like a lock and key mechanism..the vitamin D ,in its active form, locks into these receptors on the cells surface and effectively  suppresses the cells thus reducing the immune response. This is a natural suppression which evolved over thousands of years to limit learned immune response.
 
when people go on vacation...they think it's for the sun...it's not...it's for the vitamin D
 
my best guess, bj
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Re:  i have a definite treatment that may hel
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2006, 10:43:56 PM »
to blather on...
 
the innate and learned immune response have evolved over thousands of years....the innate system you are born with and can discern thousands of chemical cues to kill a variety of bacteria and viruses.  
 
The learned system is much more complex ..always changing, always guessing...and this is where it can make mistakes...some of these mistakes we call allergies in general  and  food allergies or intolerances in regards to P.  It's obvious some foods can create an immune response that enhances the symptoms of p. I think many of us are in a constant state of alert with immune systems that are going wild..hence all the flareups etc.
 
 if you have similar experiences i suggest  you reduce your diet to a VERY simple one consisting of  
 
fish or chicken(i eat salmon or tuna). brown rice and a simple veggie (carrots,beans etc)coffee or tea and oatmeal for breakfast ...no salad,fruit,meat, candy, no flour,bread no corn .
 
Try it for two or three days...not a big inconvenience...it will cool down the immune system
 
Pay close attention and take note if you feel physically calmer...ie less itching,scratching burning etc...i believe you will
 
After a few days...add one item at a time...check your response after eating.wait a day...any itching?, agitated feelings?....pay attention and take note of the food...after a few weeks you'll have a list of foods which your body has  mistakenly determined is a threat...quit eating those foods or eat them in moderation. Usually the foods you have developed the allergic reaction to are the ones you crave the most!
 
Now this goes back to evolution...it was only a hundred years ago when foods were only seasonal...berries were eaten in fall and winter, fruits in fall etc...there was no transportation or refrigeration. When you ate all the meat,grains or fruit you had to wait till the following year to get it again...food was seasonal. this i believe was a natural protection from over exposure  which could lead to food allergies and intolerances. The more you are exposed to something the greater the risk of an allergic response. A farmer in Iowa claims to have more allergies then anyone in the world...he farms plants which are used as  allergens for skins tests..rag weed etc. He's constantly exposed to allergens hence his Guinness claim for the most allergies. Today we are exposed to many more foods for the entire year...a greater chance to develop a response.
 
There is an old adage in the states...feed a cold and starve a fever....an old wives tale they call it in the US but there may be more truth in this anecdote then one would think...a cold is a rhino virus and seldom causes a fever....the flu, a much more dangerous bug lives inside a human cell and is difficult for the immune system to find and fight. The flu does cause a fever in the immune systems mutiple attempts to deal with the virus. It is my belief that especially during the flu and perhaps other diseases such as tonsillitis and strep infection that your immune system can make an error  and can mistakenly mark a part of the body (the pancreas in diabetes) ms (nerves) or food compound (wheat,corn etc)as the offending attacker and we develop an immune response to that mistake. So it may pay to eat less during a bout of flu.
 
i'm tired of thinking,,,my brain is old...:0)
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Re:  i have a definite treatment that may hel
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2006, 10:45:25 PM »
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BJ,

What type of foods are Psoriasis sufferers to avoid in their diets to limit the immune response?


Cancun

i think it is a personal thing..depending on what mistakes your immune system has made...almost a chance thing...although, i agree that some foods have a greater proclivity due to their specific chemical compounds ...ie protein markers in wheat are very similar to some viruses....i can't eat flour,tomatoes or tomato sauce.ice cream but when I'm into remission and on D as a damper, i can eat them in moderation without a flare.pizza etc...but if i were to eat spaghetti for a week...i'd have a problem
 
my best guess..bj
       
 
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Re:  i have a definite treatment that may hel
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2006, 10:46:12 PM »
ok, i need a break then i'll get to the formula
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Re:  i have a definite treatment that may hel
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2006, 11:13:55 PM »
Almost two years ago, two years this spring i had the worst bout of P i had ever had ..arms legs stomach, hair...huge plaques ....as you get older, rest assured if you do nothing the P will get worse.

I thought, man, if i don't do something i'm going to get a bad staph infection or some crazy thing..so i began thinking about P seriously.

I noticed  the variability of p around the world..the higher latitudes have a greater incidence of p etc..and figured this was to vitamin D production  and limited amount of sun  one received at higher latitudes. This is also thought to effefct ms, some cancers, diabetes etc.

but one anomaly bothered me...the innuit of the far north had both low levels of sun and low incidence of P but their vitamin D levels were high.  I found some blood studies done in the 1950's and noticed the elevated levels of D selenium,b12 and folates...almost 4 of 5 times our modern levels. They recieved their elevated levels from the animals they ate.

i thought why don't i mimic these levels....and so began taking supplements to get some similiar result.
As spring turned to summer i had completely cleared...nail p was gone...all the plaques were gone .PA was gone..by june i was completely clear...

I had gotten a lot of sun that spring but the clearing began to take place in march when there is little sun..i thought...mmmm i'm on to something...

later
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Re:  i have a definite treatment that may hel
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2006, 12:07:41 AM »

during that summer i had complete clearing...no plaques,spots,..PA nothing...

That fall i thought i'd get some volunteers from the forum to try the same concoction i was taking....

an assortment of vitamins,blueberry extract,flax,D etc...i made up  the formula and sent it off to the volunteers with ingredients and directions...just the way i had done it...no strange herbs,steroids or such..all straight up ingredients....i know there is some trepidation taking something you know nothing about from a virtual strange but i tried to sound above board with my name address ingredients etc. Its funny..if it's packaged in a bottle, with a nice sticker..we trust completely...these samples i placed in a zip lock bags but hey, it was a test....i had four volunteers..

the test went on for three months... moderate or no change,.mmmmm at the same time i developed a small plaque on my arm..the first spot in 7 months...troubling

i thought it must be due to diminished light levels and the resultant lower vitamin D levels..damn

i contacted the participants and explained my theory and said i would contact them in the spring when light levels were to increase and we'd have a better chance. I didn't want to change dosages without more experimenting for safety....i'm the guinea pig

After the trial, last winter, i completely went off the formula..my P went wild for four months i was covered....this march i looked like i was in a snowstorm...some plaques a foot across
i began the formula again...caught some rays when possible...maybe 20 min in spring sun..things got better...

By summer the P was better but not in complete remission...troubling....still had the knees covered, spot here and there...something was missing....the results where not like the previous year...could it be age, something  i was doing differently?..it was disheartening..

.i had it...... then lost it.. damn
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Re:  i have a definite treatment that may hel
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2006, 12:23:16 AM »
This summer i was in northern minnesota building a lake cabin with my brother. I was a little ticked about the semi remission of P even with all the summer sun it was not complete. My brother was often complaining about his treatment for an enlarged prostate and the fact he was on cipro for 4 months. I put it in the back of my mind thinking when i got on the net i'd look into it...worried that an enlarged prostate and cancer may have some connection.

After a little research i came upon a study on prostate tumors and vitamin D and ibuprofen..a  reduction in tumor size with vitamin D of 30% and a a reduction of 30% with ibuprofen....and together D and ibuprofen and in smaller amounts a reduction of 70% in tumor size. interesting


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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2006, 03:07:02 AM »
To continue.....after being disappointed with my previous failure to get total remission...looking for some hint i sensed  this study on Vitamin D and ibuprofen was a clue...i suddenly realized the previous fall i
had quit taking ibuprofen. I had taken ibuprofen the previous year every night to reduce itching and PA,,,it helped me sleep but it was something i had never considered as part of the psoriasis treatment!

If you recall, that fall there was a lot of controversy over coxII inhibitors such as vioxx and they were taken off the market. Ibuprofen is a Cox I and II inhibitor (...COX I and II are precursors to prostaglandins which cause inflammation but are essential in the heart and stomach etc)
It  helped  with sleep but there was little need because the P was gone and it was just a habit taking it before bed..also there was a question of long term use and increased blood pressure...so i quit taking it.  

When the trial started the previous fall i had just quit taking the ibuprofen assuming it had no effect on the P. A month later when my own P returned i was only partially right that it was due to reduced light and vitamin D levels...the cessation of ibuprofen was also involved.

Now, i see this article on ibuprofen and vitamin D...the fact that ibuprofen was the only change in the formula...something i hadn't even considered..that was it...ibuprofen somehow enhanced the effects of vitamin D and possibly the formula in general...


This September, realizing this may be the missing link, I again added ibuprofen to the formula , taking the formula at breakfast and the ibuprofen in the  evening just as i had the year before. I observed improvement in a week.... Now with reduced light i've increased vitamin D to compensate for low light and for the first time in winter my P is in remission.

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