Juicing and control of blood sugar

[Eveloftus]

I thought this from WF would be of interest if you have diabetes or pre diabetes, or are concerned about your sugar intake, especially for people doing the juicing and smoothies using fruit:

"If I have diabetes, can I eat fruit?
 
Yes, if you have diabetes-either type 1 or type 2-you can definitely eat fruit. However, depending on the degree of difficulty you are experiencing in controlling your blood sugar, you may need to work out the exact amounts and timing with your healthcare provider. The basic rules that apply to eating fruit, however, are essentially the same for all individuals who need to pay special attention to their blood sugar regulation. Here are those basic rules:
 •No fruit can be eaten in large amounts if blood sugar control is an issue. "Large amounts" might even mean one single whole fruit if the fruit is large in size.
 •Dried fruits and fruit juices are sometimes impossible to include on diabetic diets because of their sugar concentrations.
 •Skins of fruits containing fiber and other phytonutrients are usually helpful to eat when blood sugar regulation is an issue owing to the benefits of these nutrients.
 •In general, about 10 grams of sugar from a fruit serving can serve as a safe upper limit. One half of a small-to-medium sized apple contains approximately this amount of sugar. So does one-half cup of fresh blueberries. The in-depth nutritional profile of each of the fruits featured in The World's Healthiest Foods book will tell you how much sugar the fruit has. This profile is located at the end of each of the individual fruit chapters.
 •If you're consuming fresh fruit as a snack, adding a small amount of a food with a more balanced mixture of protein and fat will help fulfill your appetite and satiety."
 

[Vladex]

so what is this ?  A diet forum now ?
Anyway , blood sugar is tightly controlled unless you are under chronic stress.
Of course fruit is no problem but fasting is necessary as well to reset the hormones .

[steelem]

i think the op is on the wrong site..  think he should be on the diabetes website

[Eveloftus]

i think the op is on the wrong site..  think he should be on the diabetes website

One reason I brought up this topic of sugar regulation is that even though most people here are not diabetic, I know some are avoiding sugar to see if it improves their P. Fruit, even though it is natural and much better to eat than sugar from sweets, still contains the same molecules, glucose and fructose. The body has trouble processing fructose, which can cause fatty deposits in the liver. Fruit is much better than sucrose (table sugar) because it is less concentrated and there is fiber with it, thus the glycemic index is low. Having a piece of fruit after a meal is good. Having 2 or 3 pieces at the same time in a smoothie or juice is less good.

[LittlePinkPuss]

Having a piece of fruit after a meal is good.

Please can I make a simple observation about your above comment, especially since your title involves the word juicing.

(Hopefully I can do this without being attacked by V in return!)

From what I have researched so far and from my own experimenting, having a piece of fruit AFTER a meal is not a good idea.

This comes back to basic food combining. I use the Fit for Life principles still:

** Fruit should only ever be eaten on an empty stomach and then wait 30 – 60 minutes before eating other foods. Fruit should be eaten fresh and raw and can be mixed, except for melon. Melon should always be eaten alone.

Therefore, eating fruit at the beginning of a standard meal, in the middle of a meal or at the end of the meal – is bad food combining.

Bad food combining will have a negative effect and impact on clearing P or improving other health issues - not to mention your wind output issues!

Again, this is simply what I have found from my own research and personal experiences. I am sure others will disagree.

Also, touching on your juicing title and sugar content:

I always recommend that people have a full health check before making any changes to their diet or lifestyle. Not only is this basic common sense, but most doctors and naturopaths would require this step too. Check for major health issues like diabetics and tests for deficiencies. When I did my major health check in 2007 before changing my diet, I was found to be dangerously close to developing diabetics and deficient in several vitamins. When I had these tests done again a year after being on the new diet, everything was found to be perfect and in A1 condition.     

I always urge the need for vegetable juicing over fruit juicing.

Fruit should only sparingly be used in a juice if you desperately need to sweeten it (i.e.) a green juice using bitter kale may need a piece of apple to sweeten it

With the smoothies, again the focus is on using mainly vegetables, with only a piece of ripe fruit to make more palatable if need be.

I eat a LOT of fruit. But then again I don’t eat white sugar or processed foods, so natural wholefoods like fruit would be my only sugar source. So eating a lot of fruit is hardly an overload for me.

Fresh raw fruit will not flare up my P, but white processed sugar will.

But every one is different, so the key is to experiment and see what works for you.

[LittlePinkPuss]

I thought this from WF would be of interest if you have diabetes or pre diabetes, or are concerned about your sugar intake, especially for people doing the juicing and smoothies using fruit

Eve

If you are interested in the whole diabetics issue from a completely alternative point of view, then I recommend you watch the following film:

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days

* Medical Disclaimer from website: If you are on diabetes medication, insulin, or oral hypoglycemics, please do not attempt to come off medication without medical supervision, for the approach in this film or any other approach. If you are not on any diabetic medication, oral hypoglycemics, or insulin, then we invite you to safely explore this option on your own. The program featured in the film at the Tree of Life Rejuvination Center is most effective with diabetes type 2 but is also very effective at increasing quality of life and reducing insulin levels for diabetes type 1. The 21 day cycle at the core of this program is also a powerful modality for hyperglycemia and pre-diabetes as well as improving quality of life for those in need of rejuvenation and healing.*



P.S. I am not pushing any diet agenda V. I am simply sharing an idea for an interesting film with a fellow forum member. After all, that is the whole point of a forum - to exchange ideas.

[Lazza]

Since it seems type 1 diabetics have a higher incidence of casein sensitivity than the general populace (..see my other post on this), and indeed the book The China Study (Campbell) reports a study saying type 1 diabetics were able to reduce their insulin requirements by 40% when eliminating dairy from their diet, it would seem very beneficial for type 1 diabetics to go dairy free ... or at least try it out.  In addition, up to 20% of adult onset diabetes cases are actually type 1 diabetes, not type 2 diabetes:

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Of course we all assume any adult getting diabetes has type 2 diabetes.  This is not correct, and there are ways to specifically test for adult onset type 1 diabetes.  Therefore we should never assume an adult developing diabetes can cure their condition through lifestyle/dietary changes.  However as I mention above, even type 1 diabetics can greatly improve their condition through diet.


_Lazza

[Vladex]

i think the op is on the wrong site..  think he should be on the diabetes website

One reason I brought up this topic of sugar regulation is that even though most people here are not diabetic, I know some are avoiding sugar to see if it improves their P. Fruit, even though it is natural and much better to eat than sugar from sweets, still contains the same molecules, glucose and fructose. The body has trouble processing fructose, which can cause fatty deposits in the liver. Fruit is much better than sucrose (table sugar) because it is less concentrated and there is fiber with it, thus the glycemic index is low. Having a piece of fruit after a meal is good. Having 2 or 3 pieces at the same time in a smoothie or juice is less good.

Avoiding sugar is useless if you are living an unnatural lifestyle because there are many hormones in the body that are constantly making sugar and spiking the blood sugar under certain signals , what we would call stress. This is totally unconcious and based on your surroundings and emotional state and many other factors. Sugar is very important to the brain and muscles which is essential for survival obviously. There is a lot more to it but there are at least 6 hormones that raise blood sugar and only 1 that lowers it.
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[Eveloftus]

I disagree LPP, from what I have read it is best to consume fruit with/after a meal, since this will slow down sugar release into the blood stream and cause less of an insulin spike. Same holds true for any type of carb, having it as part of a meal will cause less of an insulin spike.

[Vladex]

I disagree LPP, from what I have read it is best to consume fruit with/after a meal, since this will slow down sugar release into the blood stream and cause less of an insulin spike. Same holds true for any type of carb, having it as part of a meal will cause less of an insulin spike.

I think fruit naturally is supposed to be eaten alone away from other meals or rather during the day only . It's mainly sugar and water and water alone will antagonize stomach acids needed to digest more fatty/protein heavy foods.