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Offline NYGuy11

ON THE VERGE OF GIVING UP DIET TO CONTROL PSORIASIS (Part 2)
« on: November 08, 2011, 01:57:11 AM »
Mods, the thread I created spun out of control and I wasn't even part of the last 2 pages of that thread.  Please let this thread stand.

Please don't make this thread into an argument about diet and whether it helps psoriasis.  This thread is about me and to discuss with others.  If you want to argue about the effectiveness of diet, please take it elsewhere.  That means you Nicknackwack and mattellie.  I respect your opinions, but this is not the thread for those opinions.  Thank you.

Lazza: The heat in my house is typically around 68 degrees, to save on the heat bill.  Sometimes lower when I am not home.  I think I'm going to explore the yogurt route once I get the yogurt machine...I can always do both.  Maybe start off with yogurt and then switch to sauerkraut once I get the hang of making it.  I'll see.

Dev: That's a good point about acupuncture.  That's why I'm trying to do my research on it.  I've read that people who clear on it see their acupuncturist several times a year...maybe twice or three times just to "maintain."  That's how they remain clear. 

The main reason I'm looking at acupuncture is b/c it's a major stress reliever.  I think I put stress on myself without really knowing it.  I think it might actually be good for my mind and to keep me at ease, so that might be worth exploring.

Scratchy: It sounds like you're doing so many things at once...how do you know what's really working?  Also, you're taking Charles' shake.  So say you clear...what then?  Do you have to continue making such a labor intensive shake for the rest of your life to stay clear?

Offline scratchydude

Re: ON THE VERGE OF GIVING UP DIET TO CONTROL PSORIASIS (Part 2)
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 12:45:39 PM »
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Scratchy: It sounds like you're doing so many things at once...how do you know what's really working?  Also, you're taking Charles' shake.  So say you clear...what then?  Do you have to continue making such a labor intensive shake for the rest of your life to stay clear?

I don't know what you are talking about, I'm just following Charles diet and drinking his green smoothies, just these two things are working for me. The truth is that it's really time consuming but it's just about diet and shakes.

I said I experienced a major clearing after getting covered all of a sudden (I think I even post pictures of that period for people to see) while on the first month of the diet+shakes. Then my third blender got broken and I had to stop the shakes while waiting for the expensive Blendtec to come. During that period where I continued diet but stopped shakes, parts of the skin you saw in the last 4 pictures remained clear.

Now I'm back into the shakes (it's been more than a month), and I haven't experienced any other break out. I'm back on the shakes because the clearing process stopped when I stopped drinking the shakes. The fact that parts of my skin which cleared   back then remain still clear to this day let's me think that once I reach complet clearing, I'll then stop the shakes and adopt a more "normal" diet..

Diet+shakes are effective if you stick with it (and shove 2 litters a day of the shakes down your throat lol) But it's not a "cure", you know that.

Sorry for the poor english, I'm at work.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2011, 12:49:03 PM by scratchydude »

Offline NYGuy11

Re: ON THE VERGE OF GIVING UP DIET TO CONTROL PSORIASIS (Part 2)
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 03:23:34 PM »
Scratchy, your English was fine.

I noticed in the other thread, you said you're taking garlic supplements as well?  It sounds like you're taking other supplements in addition to Charles' shakes?

That's the concern I have with Charles' shakes.  Even if I were to clear on it, it must be so exhausting just to maintain, spending a fortune on all the ingredients and making it every few days to eat the daily intake.

Offline Vladex

Re: ON THE VERGE OF GIVING UP DIET TO CONTROL PSORIASIS (Part 2)
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 05:35:38 PM »
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Mods, the thread I created spun out of control and I wasn't even part of the last 2 pages of that thread.  Please let this thread stand.

Please don't make this thread into an argument about diet and whether it helps psoriasis.  This thread is about me and to discuss with others.  If you want to argue about the effectiveness of diet, please take it elsewhere.  That means you Nicknackwack and mattellie.  I respect your opinions, but this is not the thread for those opinions.  Thank you.

Lazza: The heat in my house is typically around 68 degrees, to save on the heat bill.  Sometimes lower when I am not home.  I think I'm going to explore the yogurt route once I get the yogurt machine...I can always do both.  Maybe start off with yogurt and then switch to sauerkraut once I get the hang of making it.  I'll see.

Dev: That's a good point about acupuncture.  That's why I'm trying to do my research on it.  I've read that people who clear on it see their acupuncturist several times a year...maybe twice or three times just to "maintain."  That's how they remain clear. 

The main reason I'm looking at acupuncture is b/c it's a major stress reliever.  I think I put stress on myself without really knowing it.  I think it might actually be good for my mind and to keep me at ease, so that might be worth exploring.

Scratchy: It sounds like you're doing so many things at once...how do you know what's really working?  Also, you're taking Charles' shake.  So say you clear...what then?  Do you have to continue making such a labor intensive shake for the rest of your life to stay clear?

First of all, this is a forum read by many people so some will approve of it and some will critique it and probably no one is fully right but it allows people to assess for themselves and come to their own conclusion . If you want personalized support and all , then there are blogs and of course facebook and twitter but it's counter productive for everyone to be nice and kind to each other if we try to figure things out for ourselves.

Having said that and I will only address stress issue that you raised. It needs to be embraced as opposed to relieved. The relaxation techniques may make you even worse in a sense that they make you helpless and complacent to deal with the pressures of life whatever they are. They are just a part time escape but not a solution . Stress can make you sick or make you heal . Cold showers, sprinting and fasting are good stressors to start with that can make you feel alive and teach you to deal with stress.

Offline scratchydude

Re: ON THE VERGE OF GIVING UP DIET TO CONTROL PSORIASIS (Part 2)
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 10:54:57 PM »
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Scratchy, your English was fine.

I noticed in the other thread, you said you're taking garlic supplements as well?  It sounds like you're taking other supplements in addition to Charles' shakes?

That's the concern I have with Charles' shakes.  Even if I were to clear on it, it must be so exhausting just to maintain, spending a fortune on all the ingredients and making it every few days to eat the daily intake.

Not garlic supplements, but just raw garlic cloves. That's because I found recently that I have pinworms..but I have to take a serious treatment eventually. May be it's slowing down the clearing this time.

Regarding Charles treatment, I share your point of view. The thing is, what is your priority in life ?
If you were like me body covered and that a guy proposed you to follow charles diet, just to to try it before engaging in conventional stuff with all its costs, and more importantly, with all its side effects, like that great cyclosporin treatment of frustrated Nick, what would you chose ? Of course it's hard, it's even harder for fat people like ... who are used to rely on food precisely because of psoriasis despare and frustrations..in that way, I understand that kind of people because they litteraly live to eat and do not want psoriasis to take them away from the only thing that satifies them. I mean, if you are all covered head to toe (like I was) what self esteem are you left with ? None. Then a guy comes in and tells you what aritotle or some other antic said "Let your food be your medicine", tells you that it's so obvious that you are what you eat, that diet and shakes are working, and he even shows you pictures to prove it, charles or mine what ever...but that to achieve clearing you have to give up the only pleasure left when you're alone.. I do understand those people hiding behind the "Nahh that's too simple, naaa that's too unscientifically proven "yet" naaa that's too obvious to be real"...but guess what, I was desperate trying pagano, then barney's (which worked fine one time) and finally something alternative significantly worked for me, unbelievable. and guess what else, it's free!

Personally, I keep following that way because I know it works, and most of all, I know that beyond clearing my skin it's absolutely good for my body.

If you do achieve clearing with the shakes And the Diet, then you can stop the shakes and just remain on the diet, the P won't come back..At least I can say it worked that way for me with no shakes, no sun, no supplements etcetc just sticking with the diet and waiting for my 4th blender during 3 months..

I just hope than one day you'll come back to this topic really worried and showing us pictures of your body experiencing some kind of Herxeimer reaction like I had, and like Pagano describes in his book. That made me think how it is possible that people following pagano's diet can achieve herxeimer reaction ?! It's was so "insufficient" for me.
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