ON THE VERGE OF GIVING UP DIET TO CONTROL PSORIASIS

[mattellie]

"There are many who say diet plays no part in this disease. They are 100% wrong, it does. However, what is ideal is the combination of natural sunlight therapy (preferably lying in the Dead Sea) combined with a change in diet. " from the Jason Vale website

Inspiredbythis,

How many average punters can afford to juice in combination with 3 weeks at the Dead Sea? How many punters actually realise that this is is advised in the bowels of JV's web site and I bet even less actually realise that he goes yearly to clear his skin.

He is never in a million years going to put that fact up in lights on his web site because his income woul drop to just about zero.

And us people that have ventured down the diet path and had no significant results are not 100% wrong, I am afraid you are incorrect there.

[mattellie]

The Jason Vale quote is taken from his website's section on psoriasis.
I'm posting this in response to mattellie's
"So why the hell does Jason Vale then when he claims that juicing and diet clears his skin?"

... er, maybe he doesn't claim what you say he claims and maybe sometimes people misrepresent what they haven't actually read or have simply made presumptions about.
Reminder for us all: Always do your own research

My being 100% wrong because diet has no bearing on my psoriasis is not an assumption on your behalf then. Same old....

[Lazza]

Gosh, what's with all this Pagano bashing?    Although I don't agree with his dietary recommendations, and certainly what the man promotes is anything but mainstream, the longevity of his work is, in my opinion, due to one thing: it has helped many people.  He doesn't strike me as the old shyster raking in millions and cruising around Bermuda.  He is just an elder chiropractor who early on filled in a niche: treating psoriasis through dietary means.  Sure, the money from his books probably helps nicely with his mortgage payments.  But spending his life dealing desperate psoriatics is probably something he chose to do from his heart, less so as something to pad his wallet.


_Lazza

And as we all know, chiropractic is rooted in mystical concepts which continues today !!!

 

[Lazza]

mattellie, well I guess we'll have to let steelem do some explaining!    Here is the thread started by steelem several weeks ago:

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As for Jason Vale, I don't know him personally ... do you?  I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty and all that, and so it is not my wish to turn this into yet another "let's stomp on Jason Vale" thread.  It's just that your comments struck me as inconsistent with what steelem reported not long ago.

Lastly, no one should interpret my comments as being critical of psoriatics going to the Dead Sea for treatment.  I was only suggesting that psoriatics who've been successful combating psoriasis through dieting probably wouldn't go there for supplemental treatment.   There are probably more exciting places to go!


_Lazza

So why the hell does Jason Vale then when he claims that juicing and diet clears his skin?

YES I do know him, did you not bother to read that part of my message? I have met him more than once. He arrives with guttate all over him and returns tanned and clear. That proves beyond all doubt that the Dead Sea clears his skin and proves beyond all doubt that juicing/diet not only does NOT clear his skin, it cannot even keep it in remission.

SteelM has nothing to explain at all.

Your defence of diet and Jason Vale is becoming comical now, poor Dev gave an honest and true example of how diet has not been successful and WHAM, you come down like a ton of bricks. You pulled Dev up for basing her story on 'a singular case'. Please enlighten me on how your diet route is any different?

You are no different to Dev, your regime is yours and yours alone.

I have asked for the Moderator to step in.  I won't respond to your hostile post.


_Lazza

[inspiredbythis]

mattellie I have absolutely no judgement on whether you are right or wrong to any percent
You are entitled to your own synthesis of what appeals to you on your path.

I simply wanted to let Jason Vale speak for himself and remind everyone to do their own research to find out what Jason Vale (or Pagano or anyone else) actually says.

 

[Tim_]

Hmm
I am not sure the Moderator can keep reading yet more arguments over the diet approach and maintain the will to continue...



I do know I am not going to get involved with who's right and who's wrong and that people are going to have to agree to disagree and it not be a problem because it makes dull reading when they don't and detracts from the content of the boards.

I do wish you all could discuss the subject of diets without such disputes. For some reason diet based treatments create the most arguments here.

Now please lets return to the subject of the thread as I think it is good to understand what the person posting is trying to say and makes me wonder if the diet approach suffers from the lack of effectiveness over time like a number of other treatments do.

If you wish to discuss the pro's and con's of the dead sea and the honesty of Mr Vale please create new threads but do keep the noise down

Tim

[Nicknackwack]

Gosh, what's with all this Pagano bashing?    Although I don't agree with his dietary recommendations, and certainly what the man promotes is anything but mainstream, the longevity of his work is, in my opinion, due to one thing: it has helped many people.  He doesn't strike me as the old shyster raking in millions and cruising around Bermuda.  He is just an elder chiropractor who early on filled in a niche: treating psoriasis through dietary means.  Sure, the money from his books probably helps nicely with his mortgage payments.  But spending his life dealing desperate psoriatics is probably something he chose to do from his heart, less so as something to pad his wallet.


_Lazza

And as we all know, chiropractic is rooted in mystical concepts which continues today !!!

 

I knew you'd like that Lazza 

This might also make you laugh; Pagano was a big fan of a chap called Cayce (spelled Cayce and pronounced Casey) who believed in reincarnation, astrology, considered himself a prophet and believed in the paranormal among other things. I’m sure he was quite entertaining, but his name comes up often as an expert of sorts in the treatment of psoriasis.   The fact that Pagano bases anything on Cayce’s writings negates any credibility he might have had for me. My not-so-humble and probably annoying opinion 

[mattellie]

mattellie, well I guess we'll have to let steelem do some explaining!    Here is the thread started by steelem several weeks ago:

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As for Jason Vale, I don't know him personally ... do you?  I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty and all that, and so it is not my wish to turn this into yet another "let's stomp on Jason Vale" thread.  It's just that your comments struck me as inconsistent with what steelem reported not long ago.

Lastly, no one should interpret my comments as being critical of psoriatics going to the Dead Sea for treatment.  I was only suggesting that psoriatics who've been successful combating psoriasis through dieting probably wouldn't go there for supplemental treatment.   There are probably more exciting places to go!


_Lazza

So why the hell does Jason Vale then when he claims that juicing and diet clears his skin?

YES I do know him, did you not bother to read that part of my message? I have met him more than once. He arrives with guttate all over him and returns tanned and clear. That proves beyond all doubt that the Dead Sea clears his skin and proves beyond all doubt that juicing/diet not only does NOT clear his skin, it cannot even keep it in remission.

SteelM has nothing to explain at all.

Your defence of diet and Jason Vale is becoming comical now, poor Dev gave an honest and true example of how diet has not been successful and WHAM, you come down like a ton of bricks. You pulled Dev up for basing her story on 'a singular case'. Please enlighten me on how your diet route is any different?

You are no different to Dev, your regime is yours and yours alone.

I have asked for the Moderator to step in.  I won't respond to your hostile post.


_Lazza

Or put another way, you have shot yourself in the foot