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Offline Mel_2007

Why does sun help?
« on: June 06, 2007, 02:04:17 PM »
Does anyone know what exactly it is about the sun that helps p so much?  I mean, if it were just vitamin D, then taking supplements should work just as well, but it doesn't.  I'm just curious if there has been much research in this area?  I'm starting to suspect it could be hormone related?

Offline OrbitaL

Re: Why does sun help?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2007, 02:24:45 PM »
What I understand of it is that the suns rays slow down the growth of skin cells, which is generally bad for you, but due to the rapid growth of skin cells in people with P the sun can help to try and level the growth of new cells out. I could be wrong though :)

Offline SJ

Re: Why does sun help?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2007, 03:07:07 PM »
UV, particularly UVB rays, reduce the immune system in the skin apparently (which is why you get skin cancers too) and therefore reduce the psoriatic process.

There is no clinical evidence to show a connection between hormones and psoriasis.

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Re: Why does sun help?
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2007, 03:27:33 PM »
hi mel, in my view, two ways...

one, cells in the skin makes vitamin D (cholecalciferol)  from cholesterol . exactly as we take in pill form which is usually derived from sheeps lanoline.
but this form is inactive..

Uvb sunlight also activates some special cells in the skin which make the active high test form of Vitamin D..calciferol..this is approx 1000 times more potent and  can moderate or turn down  the tcells by locking on to their VDR's or vitamin D receptors.

The second way...certain wavelengths of uvb radiation...310-320 nm..nanometers are very effect in  destroying tcells...initially this dampens the immune response because, wherever the skin is exposed to these wavelengths tcells are destroyed.....To prevent this lowering of the immune system, the  skin attempts to protect itself and the tcellswith melanocytes which migrate to the surface and are what we call a suntan.. The wavelength can't penetrate the tan or melanocytes  and your immune system returns to normal. The plaques or spots , which are still white..and not protected by tanning cells leave the tcells exposed in those plaques and they are destroyed if the right conditions are met.

This 310-312 nm wavelength are what the narrowband bulbs are based on....and i believe the positive effects of the dead sea also...the haze acts as a filter blocking the most energetic and most fragile but the most dangerous levels of uvb..300nm and under.....as you go down in nanometer size..the filter is more effective. This is why there is less burning..
The high energy uvb wavelengths...260 -300 nm..are small energetic wavelengths..they cause burning and genetic changes within the cell which is why they are so dangerous..but they are also fragile..glass, dense clouds, atmosphere will stop then..As the wavelengths get longer..approaching UVA light 320nm and higher..they lose energy..a little less dangerous, but have more penetration. to activate tanning cells.melanocytes.. UVA can go through clouds, more atmosphere and deeper in the skin...so a combination of the two is critical for the effect. A small window exists where enough energy to destroy tcells and enough wavelength to penetrate the skin..results in hopefully ..less P!

Of course,  caution must be used. All radiation does damage...to minimize that, one must be informed about risks, how to minimize them and to use a generous amount sunscreen after the desired effects are achieved.


at least thats the way i see it.... ::)

bj...just babbling... :D
« Last Edit: June 06, 2007, 04:38:57 PM by bjmac »

Offline Mel_2007

Re: Why does sun help?
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2007, 03:22:59 PM »
Wow, thanks for the info, you're a knowledgable guy!  I always thought it could be related to hormones too since sun puts me in such a good mood, but maybe that's just another happy side effect :)  I have to admit though, I hardly ever use sunscreen.  I get a dark tan quickly though so I don't burn or anything.  Before I have a tan I use sunscreen, or zinc cream (works just as well and not harmfull) on the areas I might burn, but once I have a tan in place I don't bother.  I do live in a northern climate though so the sun probably isn't as harsh here as for some people!

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Re: Why does sun help?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2007, 03:50:55 PM »
hi mel.......i'm just curious.. :D   and more wrong then  right...

its just that i'm only going to be here once...i'd like it to last a little longer.. ;)
« Last Edit: June 07, 2007, 04:28:25 PM by bjmac »

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Re: Why does sun help?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2007, 04:03:21 PM »
Doesn't help me ... quite the opposite!  ::)
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Offline mcordy77

Re: Why does sun help?
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2007, 02:12:01 PM »
BJ,

very informative.
From personal experience....
taking D3 a big help
getting some sun a big help
doing both...priceless

Offline mcordy77

Re: Why does sun help?
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2007, 09:34:44 PM »
I want to add that for the last two summers...I would have insisted that the sun did squat for my P.  I have since learned something I just plum never knew.

I lived in Rochester, NY at the time...mere minutes away from a great beach on a great lake (Ontario).
Every weekend...and even in the week sometimes...off to the beach to get some sun on my P (which was everywhere).  Yep..gotta love those hot summer days...but on the hot sand...a a nice clean lake 10 steps or less away...into the water to cool off and swim every 20 min or so.

Well...now I have learned THIS.

It takes about 24 hours for UV-B-stimulated vitamin D to show up as maximum levels of vitamin D in the blood. Cholesterol-containing body oils in the skin are critical to this absorption process. Because the body needs 60 minutes to absorb these vitamin-D-containing oils, it is best to delay showering or bathing for one hour after exposure. The skin oils in which vitamin D is produced can also be removed by chlorine in swimming pools.

So...most of that hard earned Vit D3...well, the fish in the lake got more benefit than I did!  :)

hope this helps
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