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Psoriasis and vit d levels
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2011, 01:31:11 PM »
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Re: Psoriasis and vit d levels
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2011, 02:02:18 PM »
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First time I hear of giving oral 1,25 vit D, the active form!I am not surprised it helped the patients significantly. It could be risky though, with danger of hypercalcemia. The experiment seems not to have been repeated since the date of that study (1987).

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Re: Psoriasis and vit d levels
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 03:56:35 PM »
i wonder what would the conversion (cholecalciferol -> calcifediol -> calcitriol) ratios on the basis of dosage be....  ???

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Re: Psoriasis and vit d levels
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2011, 04:36:49 PM »
The vitamin D or D3 we take (cholecalciferol) is measured in mcg or micrograms  or millionths of a gram    (25mcg of D3 is the same as 1000iu)

calcidiol..a form of D in our blood  and which we usually test for is originally D3 made from uvb sunlight reacting with a form of cholesterol in our skin. Fortunately , we can also get it  from D supplements and some foods. D3 is then converted by the liver to calcidiol, carried by the blood and deposited in the liver,muscle and fat for future use.  It is measured in nanograms or billionths of a gram/ mL(a mL is about a fifth of a teaspoon of blood) it has modest biological function

and finally the 1,25 form of D called calcitriol which is the very potent steroid form produced by the conversion of calcidiol (circulating D) to calcitriol (high test D)in our kidneys when instructed by the parathyroids(rice sized glands in the neck) by PTH or parathyroid hormone..The parathyroids sole duty is to monitor and regulate blood calcium.  Calcitriol is measured in very minute amounts as picograms  or trillionths of a gram/ml. Calcitriol can also be produced on a cellular level effecting vitamin D receptors throughout the body.

so each increases by a factor of 1000..one could loosely say  the D3 (although it is not considered biologically active) we take as a supplement is about a million times less potent then the calcitriol produced by the kidneys..... Calcitriol in a topical form is what dovonex (a patentable analog of calcitriol) and vertical and silkis (which are actual calcitriol and natural so unpatentable) are based on...

   i take about 2000- 4000iu/day of D,D3 or cholecalciferol (all the same) in summer/winter

hope this helps...bj


« Last Edit: December 10, 2011, 06:56:07 PM by bjm »

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Re: Psoriasis and vit d levels
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2011, 07:38:00 PM »
i think the point im trying to make here if we were re given lamps on the nhs and administer the treatment ourselves not only would we have no p but we would be in abundance of vit d

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Psoriasis and vit d levels
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2011, 09:18:41 PM »
UV therapy selectively eliminates previously abnormally activated T-limphocytes (main factor in the inflammatory process) attracted and gathered in the psoriatic lesions and that's why UV light brings significant improvement. Elevated level of vit D in the blood obtained thereby is just a byproduct of that method and is not reckoned to be a main cause of the reduction of plaques. It is not a propitious information for me, I would rather take a few capsules of vit D and be cured in this simple way. Unfortunately, it's not so easy :(

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Re: Psoriasis and vit d levels
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2011, 10:20:43 PM »
agreed nothing is ever easy with p but i know my skin loves sun and because in the uk our sun is not strong enuff the next best thing is uvb i cant recommend anything better i done diets to extreme popping capsules vit d3 multi vit fish oil spending an absolute fortune and what i pay a 90 pound lamp my p is gone in a week priceless

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Re: Psoriasis and vit d levels
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2011, 01:48:31 AM »
hi, i agree with both posts...the D does help with whole body inflammation, reducing cytokines. etc ..but it alone usually is not enough.i think of it as one part of the puzzle....i think it all depends on how much inflammation you are producing..

the sun and supplements work for me ...for some uvb works well, for others, i think because of the amount of inflammation elsewhere they see little gain or short remission from either..i believe for many the source of much of this inflammation is the GI tract. I've had some good results so far this fall but am waiting til midwinter to be certain if my current regimen is effective....one definitive measure for me is nail pitting...i use it as a marker or timeline of my P progress (regarding PA)...so far consistent nail improvement over this summer...
In past winters with increased D dosage (>4000iu) i would get increased redness due i felt to an increase in LL37 a wound healing peptide...so far no increased redness so i am optimistic

bj

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Re: Psoriasis and vit d levels
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2011, 05:58:20 AM »
thanks bjm, appreciated  :)

i think 4000iu/day is quite safe...

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also that a bit higher numbers can be safe too...

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