Psoriasis Assesments for the Advanced

[Cancun]

I write this a bit apprehensively.  The reason is many things here are taken too literally.  Someone outlines a regimen for clearing and part of it is taking a multivitamin and many people simply take that out because it is the least intrusive part of the plan and do nothing else.  Anyone who reads my posts knows that is not at all what I advocate.

There seems to be some confusion on what does and does not cause Psoriasis.  

• Psoriasis is not caused by smoking

Psoriasis is not caused by tomatoes
Psoriasis is not caused by potatoes
Psoriasis is not caused by cheese
Psoriasis is not caused by milk
Psoriasis is not caused by msg
Psoriasis is not caused by red meat
Psoriasis is not caused by alcohol
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Psoriasis is caused by our inability to digest foods completely and things that should not be in areas of the body, being in those areas.  Something, even at the molecular level, in the wrong place, is a toxin.  Something that sits around too long (excretion problems) can turn into a toxin.  Also a very common problem here.

Someone who has normal digestion can smoke and live off pizza and beer for 100 years and they will never develop Psoriasis.  Never.

Why do some people have reactions to dairy and others have reactions to tomatoes?

Because where our digestion problems are differ.

I am convinced that the majority of sufferers have liver issues.  Anyone else have dark circles under their eyes?  Sign of a taxed liver.

I also think that the vast majority of us have seepage problems in the large intestine.  That is why restrictive diets work, they eliminate the things that can leak through.  Then, if the lining of the intestine is not irritated, the body can repair itself.

A minority of sufferers are simply deficient in certain vitamins or minerals.  That is why taking a few tablets can make such a difference for some.

But the reason I wrote advanced is these differences should not be taken as an excuse for failure.  

I think we should have a new motto.  “What works for one, can work for another.”  The other one is too defeatist.

Cancun

[cladinblack]

hi cancun

its an interesting post. my questions r: (only 2 since ive many=))

a) do u (or does anyone) know if the chromosomes identified for p r those which rule the digestive inability? thats one of the things i cant understand cause one of the reasons there r people smoking n eating unhealthy food n not developping p is that they dont have it in their genes.

b) the immune system consists of the bowels/liver, kidneys, lungs n skin. (i believe  bowel pathology is related to many diseases including nervous ones.)  since pustular p affects mostly smokers y do people claim that it is caused by bowel pathology rather than lung pathology? i have no studies in medicine but wander y cant lungs play the role given usually to the bowels in certain kinds of p?

just a remark: dairy is well known to charge the liver, any chiroprathic would detect it easily.

have a great night all

karol

[Deaky]

Cancun, I agree with you in most part to what you are saying here. I do believe that diet can have a huge influence in increasing the benefits of a healing regimen. I also believe that you have to be in the right place, mentally, to want to heal. I also believe that some folks need a starting point, that may be a drug based one, or a natural one.

In my case, I had about 50% coverage in January this year. I started Pagano and after a few months, had a huge flare up which took me to about 75/80% coverage. The detox was obviously taking effect and I persevered and I followed exactly the same progress as detailed in the book (I still had the odd glass of red wine and majorly cut down on the smoking!!) . Before long, I had reduced the psoriasis down to about 40% as the lesions got smaller. As the sun came out in Portugal, I went to the beach and exposed my skin. The diet and the sun (mainly) helped me to get almost completely clear and I felt fabulous about my skin. Then came the visitors. Living in a hot country we get lots of family and friends out during the summer and although I tried to stick to the diet, eating out so many times doesn't help much, but the sun was keeping it at bay. My smoking habits returned to normal. It's now October, the sun is still shining but not quite at 'beach' level and I am noticing a few patches creeping back. It's not much, but I can see the steady creep. I am not happy with this and so am restarting Pagano.

To me, this shows the whole picture. When I am desperate and have the willpower to change, I can stick to the diet and mentally want to improve my condition. When things are going good and my skin is great, the whole lot disappears and I return to bad habits. Is this diet only or because of my state of mind as I am not focussed on my skin???

A lot of psoriasis depends on your frame of mind, your motivation and your willingness to subscribe to a regime, whether for the individual is completely diet based, drug based or a combination of both. My father has the typical 'knees and elbows' psoriasis, lives in a sunny country and has never let it dictate to him. He is 64, happy the way he is and eats and drinks the way he wants to.  He is happy to accept the psoriasis the way he is. I am not and will continue to look for a balm, be that diet or drug based.

(as an aside, as my skin got better, my nails got worse! I am now at the stage of all fingernails being affected and looking for a short term solution to this as I get married in 5 months and I WILL have nice nails by that date!!!)

[bjmac]

hogwash from the 14th century

[LouiseB]

Interesting theory Cancun

However, I don't think it is food which cause the toxin build up in the body but hormones, stress hormones in particular.  I think that if these hormones are allowed to get out of control then your whole body chemistry is thrown out of kilter resulting in toxin build up, which P/PA sufferers can't deal with effectively and maybe, for some, certain foods don't help.

I only say that through personal experience having had remission years when I was relatively stress free and being P/PA free, then watching the disease take over my body as I went through years of emotional and work related stress.  I'm now out of that situation and almost P free but did have to resort to drugs to get the disease under control.

Can I ask why you think some people (like me) develop crippling psoriatic arthritis and others don't and do you think that PA is the cause of the disease starting off as an immuse system problem resulting in P or the other way round - P comes first then some people develop PA?
 
Also, what do you think of the theory that it is caused by a protein in the body of PA sufferers, which causes inflammation?

I don't mean to be confrontational, I'm only interested in your views  

Deakie,

Like you I've found that living in a hot sunny climate (Spain) has helped but what has helped more is that I now live a relatively stress free life, eating a simple diet of fresh fruit and vegetables, some meat, nuts, seeds and pulses.  I still enjoy a glass of vino now and again    I've also joined a Yoga class and it's interesting to watch my body slowly, very slowly, become more supple - a sign that the toxins are being released?   It will be interesting to see what happens when I come off the drugs.

Good luck with the wedding and getting those nails P free.  I know the others on here are eating Pumkin seeds too and having good results.  I get regular shipments of seeds in from the UK as most of the ones in Spain are salted  


Take care  8-)
  

[stewart_h]

arjuvedic medicine (partivularly the guy from clinic psoriasis who is on record as cleraring quite a few US forum members now) believe sthat it is not WHAT you eat that causes the problems but HOW the body is digesting ot NOT digesting it. So it kind of ties in what cancun is saying.

[LouiseB]

arjuvedic medicine (partivularly the guy from clinic psoriasis who is on record as cleraring quite a few US forum members now) believe sthat it is not WHAT you eat that causes the problems but HOW the body is digesting ot NOT digesting it. So it kind of ties in what cancun is saying.

I don't doubt that for a minute, Stewart or Cancun's theory but what I'm curious about is what causes our bodies to stop digesting certain foods or food groups properly.

The liver issue certainly is certainly something I've thought about - I had jaundice when I was 6
But I also had my first emotional upset when I was 10 and recall the first signs of P about that time.

Most of the processed food (which incidently I don't eat now) wasn't even invented when I was 10, I didn't smoke and didn't drink alcohol.

But something triggered the P/PA for me over 30 years ago - maybe it was genetic?

Take care  

[Cy]

bjmac

   Hogwash from the 14th century ?

  If you've got something to say say it don't dismiss threads with hogwash ,
 we;ll think your from the 14th century

[bjmac]

  I guess i'm from an earlier.time.....greetings  from the dark ages....ahhh, at least my atoms where here...

one can simplify anything to understand it.... but  i think that understanding is often only an illusion

 I believe there is some merit in what cancun says but i dopn't think it's that simple...toxins,vapors,tail of newt and such

On a cellular level ,there are thousands of enzymes,proteins and molecules which are interacting in a myriad of ways...what we basically have is a black box...we see the results and then try to hypothesize the cause..

cancun  has one view. ..she may be right....i just disaggree

[cb001x8965]

Very intresting but i think my 34yrs of p is caused by stress and lack of confidence
i eat a very healthy diet and only drink bottled water ive been on many diets
in my 34yrs of p and i have stuck to them for as long as 3years and none have
eased my symptoms
If you take all the foods out that are bad for each person we would be left with
naff all to eat

We all know smoking aggrevates our p and gives the body a false perception
if we all wrote down what triggers our p to flare surely your ideas would be rubbished
may be if you have mild p a diet change would be benificial but with severe
p in my experience diet has no effect what so ever and my derm will back me
100% on that

The same about alcohol consumption how many times has one gone out on the p*ss
and the next day your p is hot and scaly its all a vicious circle
smoking causes stress
Alcohol causes stress
Most p suferers in my experience are totally stressed out
And in most cases its triggered by some sort of emotional factor
so may be it does effect the stomach but we have a hole to deal with that
Ive mentioned this leaky gut sydrome to my oncologist  who rubbished it straight away
they told me if i had a leaky gut it would of shown its self on the mri scan
that shut me up and i felt a right div so thanks for that
all the best in your theorys and i hope you do find why were all still suffering