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Offline chasbee

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« on: August 15, 2011, 08:09:26 AM »
(Apparently I’m trying to post too many words, so I’ll post in two parts).
This is quite a lengthy narrative so please bear with me. I have recently satisfied myself, more or less 95 percent, that sugar is the cause of my Psoriasis. I have had Psoriasis for over fifty years. On my forearms and elbows, nothing much has ever changed in all those years. If anything, it has gradually got worse, but in so slow a way as to be almost unnoticeable. Fifty years ago, I may have had a seven inch by three inch patch on both arms and, in later years, an eight by four. That was how much it had changed in fifty years. Psoriasis had never disappeared and returned to my forearms. It was ever present. On my lower legs, Psoriasis used to come and go, and to move around, to get worse or better. It followed no regular pattern, except that, it never disappeared completely from my lower legs. I also had some scalp psoriasis, but luckily it was above the hairline, so not seen. About thirty years ago, I was blessed with an additional problem. I started to suffer from spots on my face. These spots were sometimes a bit like teenage acne with yellow heads, and sometimes like small water blisters with colourless heads. The spots used to come and go but never disappeared completely, and sometimes they were quite unsightly. My local GP, at that time, said it was Rosacea, and when a doctor tells you that, you naturally have no reason to think otherwise. The treatment I was given for that was Metronidazole, which is a cream, commonly used for the treatment of Rosacea. This Metronidazole usually made things worse instead of better, in fact, this was even mentioned in the list of reported side effects. I know it’s crazy, but it’s true. After a year or two of this Rosacea, I began to notice a kind of pattern. Not initially with sugar, but with alcohol. I used to enjoy a social drink, either with my wife or with friends, and sometimes we used to go real boozing on beer and lager and cocktails. About two days after a session like this, I noticed that my Rosacea always flared up, and it would take a few days to calm down again, and also my Psoriasis would itch terribly. In those days, I was a working man, (I’m a retired electrician). You can imagine how I felt. I wasn’t prepared to give up social drinking after working all week, and so life carried on much as before. I assumed that the trouble was alcohol and I put up with it. About five years ago, I started to think that maybe sugar, and not alcohol, had something to do with my Rosacea. I started to research sugar in a small way. That was also the time when I joined this forum. Around December of 2006, I posted a few threads on PHO forums about different nationalities around the world and the possible connection between Psoriasis and sugar. Now what I really wanted to do was get rid of my Rosacea because it was on my face (I had more or less given up on my Psoriasis). I suppose there are Rosacea forums but I never looked for one, and I posted on the PHO forums. More recently, I began to wonder if I had Rosacea at all. I began to wonder if my Rosacea was in fact, not separate from my Psoriasis, but connected to it. Maybe I didn’t have Rosacea at all. Maybe I had Psoriasis with additional spots. About six months ago, I had a particularly bad bout of so called Rosacea, and I made a decision to give up all cakes and biscuits and sugary drinks, including beers and lagers. You know, everything which contained obvious amounts of sugar. My Rosacea died down a little but was still present. A couple of weeks after this, I started to eat a lot more fruit, hoping that this would help. I was eating bananas and peaches and dried apricots, all sorts of fruits. Instead of getting better, I got worse. Of course, I had one advantage, I knew that the difference between cause and effect was only about two days at the most, so therefore I could see quite quickly the results of aggravating my Rosacea. Now this is not a thing that you can usually do with Psoriasis proper. I can’t see any sudden changes in my Psoriasis because, for me, it is such a slow moving and puzzling disease.

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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 08:11:24 AM »
Anyway, I then came to another decision. I decided to give up all forms of sugar, where reasonable and possible. There is a lot of sugar in fruit, particularly bananas and dried fruit, and some sugar in all fruit. There is added sugar in milk. There is sugar in vegetables. There is sugar in many foods that you wouldn’t expect. It is almost impossible to cut out sugar completely, and I’m not saying that I’ve tried to do this. To try to cut out sugar completely might be a very bad idea. What I did was to cut down on all forms of sugar that I thought I didn’t need. Incidentally, Sainsbury’s (UK food retailer) Publish the sugar content of their food and I’ve found this helpful. Since then, (about five months ago), I have gradually improved. The Psoriasis on my arms is now about half (or less) the size that it was (and still shrinking), and this something that has never happened to me before (I did mention an improvement back in December 2006 but it was short lived and definitely not on my forearms). Psoriasis on other parts of my body show definite signs of improvement in an ongoing way. My Rosacea has all but disappeared And I expect it to disappear completely quite soon. I should add that I also use Betnovate cream every two or three days, to aid the healing process. Betnovate has never worked for me in the past but it may help a little. There have been a couple of lapses as far as social drinking is concerned because of family parties and such, but interestingly the last boozy bout did not cause a flare up (that was two weeks ago). It has been a bit of a trial for the last five months, and does demand a fair amount of willpower, but I won’t simply give up without knowing one way or the other. Another consequence of giving up sugar is weight loss. Five months ago I weighed approx 11 and 1/2stone. I am around average height(5 feet 8 inches tall) for my year of birth . That translates as slightly overweight. I began to lose about a pound (.45 of a kilo) a week, and in just over three months I had lost a stone (14lbs for those who don’t use our imperial system of weights). Now I knew that my working weight years ago was about 10 stone 7 lbs, so I wasn’t concerned. When my weight continued to drop, I started eating breakfast, which previously I hadn’t bothered with and now I try to keep my weight no lower than about ten and a half stone. Stopping sugar really does take weight off. It hasn’t been any cheaper to cut down on sugar because I have to search for foods which are lower in sugar. Some foods like sweet corn can vary widely and low sugar brands are usually more expensive. One problem I have found is milk. Milk contains about 5% sugar, which I think is too high, considering the amount one might drink. It doesn’t matter if it is full fat, semi skimmed or skimmed, it’s still about 5% added sugar. If you look at the figure for double dairy cream you will see that it is around half of this figure. I put diet lemonade on my breakfast shredded wheat and although it may sound weird, it tastes quite nice (I tried unsweetened Soya milk and Coconut milk and they were ghastly). For fruit at the moment, I usually eat raspberries, which are lower in sugar than other fruits, and I make sure that I don’t go short of vegetables. For a sweetener I use Canderel which is very low in sugar, not like some sweeteners which can contain, funnily enough, quite a bit of sugar. In the future, I hope that I can re-introduce some of the foods I miss. That’s all I can think of at the moment, but I will post again if my situation changes. In my case I noticed the first signs of improvement within about a month, but improvement was patchy for a month or two. I have experienced no negative side effects of cutting down on sugar. The only small problem that may occur, (to my mind) is making sure my weight doesn’t drop too far. I will take advice (or Google) if this happens.

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 02:47:18 PM »
Hi chasbee  :)

I found your post very interesting about how you tried and subsequently identified that sugar may be a trigger for your psoriasis. It's a good example about how persistent you have to be identify a trigger and through a process of elimination reach a conclusion  :)

I'm not so sure about putting diet lemonade on my shredded wheat though  ;D but I admire your ..... creativity  :)

Seriously though, I wondered if you were able to identify if it is synthetic / refined sugars or natural raw sugars that contribute to the trigger ?

Nick  :)

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 07:28:38 PM »
Thank you Nick for your reply. If you look at the section where I say ‘I started to eat a lot more fruit’, you will see that I meant all kinds of sugar, both natural and refined. Four Plus years ago, when I posted originally, I didn’t think natural sugars were a problem. It now seems to me that they are.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 08:20:25 PM »
I joined slimming world 3 weeks ago and in that time ive lost nearly half a stone. I gave up eating chocolate, biscuits, crisps and now the main part of my diet is fresh fruit and vegetables, little bread and ive cut back on my meat intake too. I use canderel on my shreaded wheat, just a little. I didnt do it to improve my skin but since ive gone on the diet my skin is the best its been in years, I feel happier and have more energy so to me too much suger in your diet is bad for your skin.

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 08:51:12 PM »
I agree about needing to reduce sugar intake, I don't have any sugar--the kind you add to your tea or coffee--but I eat too much fruit, that's my problem, I should limit myself maybe to 1 or 2 pieces a day. (now I eat about 6 servings -not pieces, servings like half an apple).

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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 09:52:41 AM »
I am making a concerted effort to cut right down on my sugar intake. I will probably fail on things like cerial, but certainly will keep on not eating puddings and crisps  :cry: and try to watch on other things

Will be interesting what effect it does have as cant remember ever cutting down on sugar before

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2011, 06:27:09 AM »
Your replies are encouraging. Unfortunately, for most of us, Psoriasis is a very slow moving disease. When giving up a thing like sugar, persistence is required in order to gain any benefit. I feel sure that if the answer was to simply give up added sugar, you know, in the form of sweets and cakes and drinks, etc, then it would have been shown decades ago that sugar was a prime cause of Psoriasis. Because it has not been proven that sugar causes Psoriasis, then surely, we may need to go even further than just stopping added sugar. That’s why I’ve cut right down on all forms of sugar (not easy). It seems to me that, in the two or so percent of the World population, (many millions) who have Psoriasis, there may be a malfunction of the  organ which processes sugar in the body. I haven’t done any research on this, maybe the Liver or the Pancreas, I don’t know. Most of us do know however, that too much sugar is bad for us, but we don’t appear to know if too little sugar is bad for us. I’m watching for side effects, and so far there are none (except weight loss). 

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2011, 09:40:06 AM »
My body has gone too acidic. Got severe heart burn. I have cut down on fatty food and sugar. Eating a lot of raw vegetables and fruits for at least 2 years. Still I had to take daily medication for heart burn. Any advise? :) :)

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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2011, 10:03:23 AM »
For over 2 months now I have very little processed sugar in my diet. I have stopped eating chocolate, sweets, crisps but sometimes I allow myself 1 or 2 biscuits or cakes a week (this is my big weakness). I only eat fruit in the morning for breakfast. I don't eat cereal any more. I also thought sugar was making my p worse but since I came back from the dead sea my p is getting bad again so I don't think it can be that, although I do feel more healthy then when I was eating loads of sugar.