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Offline bjm

Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3070 on: November 22, 2009, 03:30:51 AM »
Art...its interesting....at least we won't have to wake up at night!!!..
here was that original story in 2005

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much like your link now! and what progress have they made on that idea?...is adequate vitamin D even suggested by most MD's...heck, they don't even take it......

well Art...i'm near that age...so far..no problems!..your alcohol post makes me thirsty.. ;D...to helll with the psoriasis!!

gizzy, the florescent won't do it You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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Offline artworks4

Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3071 on: November 22, 2009, 03:31:17 AM »
And here are a few reasons why excessive alcohol consumption is likely to exacerbate your p .

Art

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Offline artworks4

Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3072 on: November 22, 2009, 03:49:27 AM »
I see the NIH helped fund that study way back then, bj........I guess they aren't all bad. :-\

I also notice they made certain to say that taking vitamin d would not achieve the same results..........only calcitriol as a prescription.........I guess the body just makes calcitriol for nothing.

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Offline bjm

Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3073 on: November 22, 2009, 04:01:51 AM »
at that time they didn't think that we made Cacitriol outside the kidney and they also thought that calcidiol, the circulating form of D, had no biological activity...the nih can be great.. with 30 billion/year for research..lets hope it'$ incorruptible

i agree..the formula should be good for the prostate, the eyes, ..a host of things....i want to see how this menthol acts in uvb light...thats what i'm looking for..
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Nicknackwack

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Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3074 on: November 22, 2009, 08:27:32 AM »
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hi bjm, thanks for the offer, i can get them from my local petshop ~£20 which is the same price in the US, i'm just doing a bit of research on them, i checked in the reptiles forum, some of them recon they don't emit the amount of uvb that they claim, so i'm still looking, can't make up my mind which one , fluorescent tube (15,20, 30.48 inch) or a bulb one 10.0 which they give out ~7% uvb, they can go as low as 13W,  just to experiment with, tomorrow i'm off to diy shop see what light fitting is suitable.
Btw i've removed the thingy linky.
 cheers
gizzy 

Well I've read some stuff in my time, but going to a petshop to find UVB light tubes to deal with p certainly takes the biscuit  ::)

Questions that come to my mind include, are the UVB light tubes broadband or narrowband / what wavelength do they fall in / how do you measure the joule rate / what impact will it have on your lifetime limits ?

In the first instance I would strongly recommend reading this guideline by PHO  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Secondly I would pay particular heed that should you use any home UV system then it should be done under guidance by a Derm because of the safety concerns involved.

I am very much an exponent of light therapy (I currently use PUVA with Vit D3) but it should only be administered under strict supervision whereby you are monitored under controlled conditions by professionals and that is after you have been subjected to patch testing, determining your skin type and projected response. This will be followed by a detailed treatment plan.

There is a member of PHO who has suffered skin melanoma directly as a result of UVB therapy whereby he was'nt treated under controlled conditions. Please be aware of the risks which in more recent times are only now becoming documented  ;)

Nick
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Offline gizzy

Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3075 on: November 22, 2009, 09:41:07 AM »
hi nick, thanks for the link, of course i'm aware of that, i just have to be carefull. since the proper ones cost a fortune, when you can make it for a fraction of the cost. as i did have a good but a slow response from the UVA facial one that had ~1% UVB + BF, and the reptile ones that emit ~ 2% , which is within tolerence.

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gizzy 
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Offline coggers

Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3076 on: November 23, 2009, 10:14:36 AM »
Hi Gizzy NIck

Take a look at this very detailed analysis of measuring the output of a petshop lights.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The % measurement merely tells you the % UVB as a part of the total UV output, it doesnt really tell you what the dose is that you are getting, of course it is useful but doesnt really tell you the whole story.  By way of background Im an engineer by training, Ill expand on that, I am not a guy who fixes telephone lines or boilers.  I have an honours degree in Electical Engineering and am a Chartered Engineer, Ive designed / built mobile phone networks, been involved in new technology developments at the bleeding edge.  Been doing it for 30 odd years.  Thought I just put that in to give a bit of credibility to my technical capability!

The report above gives you a pretty good analysis, in my humble opinion, showing you the dose that you can get according to distance, also according to the position in the beam, relates the output to UV Index, relates the UVB spectral output of the lamp to the Action Spectrum of 7-DHC to pre-D3 conversion (by the way reference to none other than Holick), compares it with solar radiation. They also look at the decay of output from the lamps over time. Measures UVC also.

Aside from the methodolgy which looks good the million dollar question is, are their instruments properly calibrated?  They question that themselves, very good sign, so whether they are right or wrong we will never know unless someone else attempts to replicate the same set of measurements independently.

Anyway getting past all the tech chatter and making the assumption that their instruments were good then you can expose yourself to a UV Index of 1 to 3 if you are a good distance away from the lamp or by placing yourself too close in danger of giving yourself a nasty burn with UV Index in excess of 10.

In my books UVB is UVB, but you can see from the analysis that these lamps are very spiky in their UVB output, Im not aware of any light that replicates the sun's broadband spectrum output, they provide output in the part of the spectrum that will produce D3 in your skin.  I dont think any of us would worry about going about our business outside unprotected when you have a low UV Index.

Holick, and others who research Vit D by the way is saying that the current advice on Vit D maximum supplements is way too low.  Holick also is open in saying that D3 vit supplements help but they dont address all the other chemicals produced in the skin in the D3 synthesis and he doesnt know what role they play either could be good or bad. Believe the Canadian health authorities just increased the maximum daily supplement.

So inconclusion, Im not advocating anyone doing this, make your own decisions based on informed opinion either your own, or your derms.  Not all of us can afford the very high price of the marketed lamps.  Pity you cant find similar data for the lamps produced for humans.

Cogs

Offline coggers

Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3077 on: November 23, 2009, 11:21:03 AM »
Hi BJ

thanks I will continue, I dont drink a lot of milk use it in my porridge and coffee, maybe Ill consider adding the calcium, the reference shows the link between eficacy and calcium, you got a few years on me but not that many not that I can afford to lose calcium either!  LOL.

I was wondering about the gluten intolerance issue which we both seem to share.  Reading the article about the incidence of coeliacs and its development, perhaps gluten intolerance is a mild form of the problem, but my point, after all this preample, is that the damage can get worse over time while one still consumes the stuff until there is a tipping point.  Depending on your circumstances it can take many years.  Eliminate the gluten and provided the damage isnt too great then your body repairs itself -dont know how long it takes.

Im speculating you been doing this regime for a good few years now, maybe your gut is repairing/has repaired itself and as a consequence you can get away with some occasional intake of gluten.

What do you think?

Nicknackwack

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Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3078 on: November 23, 2009, 12:23:24 PM »
Hi coggers and gizzy  :)

You have probably realised that I'm not an advocate of home UVB therapy and your well constructed post coggers strengthens my view. I agree with you that the million dollar question about uv tubes is not just the effectiveness of them but the maintenance and calibration which is just as important. Either way, for medical purposes and the treating of p there is a defined protocol here in the UK for their use by Derm Departments. That protocol also involves numerous other factors (joule measurements and patch testing, for example) and I believe that the controlled circumstances in which uvb is applied is a responsible way of achieving the desired results. For me this is 'best practice' when administered by Derm Depts whereas home useage and devising your own configuration gizzy leaves room for error and increased risk. It also compromises future treatment should you have UVB TLO-1 or PUVA.

Re: Vitamin D3, the active ingredient of Vitamin D. I'll dig out an article about D3 which shows that it requires calcium for effective absorption. Like quite a few p sufferers dairy can be attributable for exasperating p and a calcium supplement does circumvent matters when using Vit D3. If memory serves me right D3 'piggybacks' calcium which in turn helps absorption. BJ has discussed this before in some older posts here on PHO.

Nick  ;)

Offline coggers

Re: vitamin d/ibuprofen treatment
« Reply #3079 on: November 23, 2009, 02:33:02 PM »
Im sure you are right Nick. 

No question its gold standard under fully controlled conditions -  some folks dont have the benefit of the NHS that we have here in the UK which in all of my experience has provided nothing but the best service and care and Ive had a lot to do with it recently and not related to Ps.

I dont want to drift into politics but US has something like 1/3 (Im quoting from memory here I could be wrong) of folks out of any insurance that denies them access to high quality care.  They have to make do the best they can and all the info/experience we can provide as a collective Im sure will help including all sides of the debate. 

Ive learned more from this forum in the last month on Ps etc and consequently made the most progress in keeping my Ps under control than I have in 30 years.  Big thanks to all for their views and for sharing their experience.

All US friends on this post - Im not criticising your system either, its up to you what you do.